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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    My God, it took the Apollo project over a year, and 2100 pages to lay this current turd on us, and you want him to write a plan right this moment?

    Unreasonable much?

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    Are some bullet points too much to ask?

    Also, why are you talking about space programs that ended in 1972?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So you admit that "access" was never the issue?


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    Being forced to wait until a condition becomes serious-to-life-threatening and then being stuck with a bill 10 times higher than what it would have been a month earlier is not what I would call good access.
    Yes, people have some access via ERs that can't turn them away. They also go bankrupt in the process.
    Oh, and the ER only has to stabilize them, not treat them.
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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So what's your healthcare reform plan?
    here's a start. there are two links here. One a summary and one the text

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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Actually, no.

    What I'd like for any GOP Senator to do is show that their health care proposals were any better than what was signed into law. Better yet, show a proposal where GOP ideas weren't incorporated into the law. I think it's been archieved by now, but there use to be a thread in the Health Care forum that linked to a spreadsheet listing all of the health care reform bill proposals. I reviewed most of them and if memory serves me correctly, there were only 2 leading GOP proposals and both offered many of the same things we eventually got in "ObamaCare"...

    - eliminating pre-existing conditions
    - raising the federal poverty limit
    - expanding Medicaid
    - reducing fraud, waste and abuse in Medicare and funding and/or closing the "donut hole" for prescription drugs
    - starting state-sponsored health insurance exchanges (a GOP idea)
    - reducing or eliminating the life-time cap of benefits

    About the only thing all the proposals had in common was none really offered a clear way to reduce health care costs or pay for their proposals upfront. So, GOP, if you're going to repeal what's already out there, you'd better come up with something much better than what we got! As I've said several times before, HR 3590 - Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - was the best compromise we were going to get in this country's present partisan atmosphere.

    It is not that the GOP and liberals can't agree on things that actually help the situation, but in a 2100 page bill, how many things tucked in there do you think are actually NOT about health care? I think alot.


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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    They've had countless years - they could have done something substantial by now.

    Actually - they did. At the time the AACHA was circulating there were several other extensive plans either presented in bill-form . . . or being worked on.

    Some were just as ridiculous. Some were simple and fixed just a few things. Other measure were meant to be applied slowly to permit adjustment before presenting or writing the next measure. . . and so on.

    The sheer number of ignored plans that were presented or suggested is astonishing.

    I agree, however we won't get far if the demo's continue to use this as a trojan horse to single payer.

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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Are some bullet points too much to ask?

    Also, why are you talking about space programs that ended in 1972?



    Being forced to wait until a condition becomes serious-to-life-threatening and then being stuck with a bill 10 times higher than what it would have been a month earlier is not what I would call good access.
    Yes, people have some access via ERs that can't turn them away. They also go bankrupt in the process.
    Oh, and the ER only has to stabilize them, not treat them.

    Plans have been out there. And some things we agree on, however, if you think that The Apollo Alliance didn't write the bill, I suggest you do some research.

    Oh, and there are plenty of ways that a person without insurance can see a doctor without having to go to the ER.


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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Actually, no.

    What I'd like for any GOP Senator to do is show that their health care proposals were any better than what was signed into law. Better yet, show a proposal where GOP ideas weren't incorporated into the law. I think it's been archieved by now, but there use to be a thread in the Health Care forum that linked to a spreadsheet listing all of the health care reform bill proposals. I reviewed most of them and if memory serves me correctly, there were only 2 leading GOP proposals and both offered many of the same things we eventually got in "ObamaCare"...

    - eliminating pre-existing conditions
    - raising the federal poverty limit
    - expanding Medicaid
    - reducing fraud, waste and abuse in Medicare and funding and/or closing the "donut hole" for prescription drugs
    - starting state-sponsored health insurance exchanges (a GOP idea)
    - reducing or eliminating the life-time cap of benefits

    About the only thing all the proposals had in common was none really offered a clear way to reduce health care costs or pay for their proposals upfront. So, GOP, if you're going to repeal what's already out there, you'd better come up with something much better than what we got! As I've said several times before, HR 3590 - Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - was the best compromise we were going to get in this country's present partisan atmosphere.

    This was proposed by my rep. U.S. Congressman John Shadegg : Serving the 3rd District of Arizona

    There were many alternatives before the obamacare abortion was passed,still are, many still refuse to open their eyes. Partisan blinders maybe? I am not sure how long this country can afford that game.

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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I hope they also plan to allow hospitals to turn away ER patients who can't afford to pay. You know, since paying for the healthcare of others is so terrible for us. If we're not going to do it efficiently, maybe we should stop doing it.
    This would be a great start. It would also solve 90% of the illegal immigration problem we have.

    Besides, I’m sick of people telling me they have a right to complain about what others eat, drink, smoke etc. “because our tax dollars will have to pay for their medical care”. You might me amazed at how many people go get medical insurance when they learn they might be turned away if they don’t have cash or insurance.

    It’s called personal responsibility.

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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I hope they also plan to allow hospitals to turn away ER patients who can't afford to pay. You know, since paying for the healthcare of others is so terrible for us. If we're not going to do it efficiently, maybe we should stop doing it.
    But...but...but...the American people oppose Obamacare! And, it's supposed to lower insurance rates! And...and...and...we can keep our providers!

    BTW, isn't alreay illegal to turn away ER patients? That was the law, before Obamacare. Was it not?

    If providing healthcare is the primary goal of Obamacare, why is there a new tax law and funding for Obama's private army included in the bill? Got an answer for that? No? Didn't think so.
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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Let me just add to my previous post that I think charities would probably move in to fill the gaps for most of those that truly can’t afford health insurance.

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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Let me just add to my previous post that I think charities would probably move in to fill the gaps for most of those that truly can’t afford health insurance.
    Yeah, but then the gubmint couldn't swoop in to save the day. Can't have that ****!
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