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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    UK Government Plans Major Health Care Reform - ABC News

    Prime Minister David Cameron on Monday waded into terrain where past British governments have foundered, promising fundamental changes to the country's expensive and over-stressed public health care system.

    Cameron said the reforms would cut red tape and improve treatment, but critics claim they will cause chaos and could lead to backdoor privatization of the much-criticized but widely popular National Health Service.

    The British leader, whose Conservative Party heads the country's coalition government, said he would save money and cut red tape by giving control over management to family practitioners rather than bureaucrats, and allow private companies, charities and social enterprises to bid for contracts within the public health service.

    Making health care more efficient has proved an elusive goal for successive British governments. The previous Labour administration vowed to reduce waiting times for treatment, and succeeded — but at the cost, say critics, of wasteful bureaucracy.

    In a speech outlining the government's plans to overhaul public services, Cameron promised to get rid of "topdown, command-and-control bureaucracy and targets." He said that with an aging population and growing demand for new medical treatments, "pretending that there is some easy option of sticking with the status quo and hoping that a little bit of extra money will smooth over the challenges is a complete fiction."
    it takes a long time to turn a ship as big as an EU member economy

    the french, english and germans are a couple years ahead of the united states, which only began its 180 degree redirection on nov 2

    the house will vote to REPEAL obamacare on wednesday

    it will likely stall upstairs

    but then we'll lop at the leviathan piece by piece

    we'll start with the individual mandate, with senator mccaskill of missouri already on our side

    McCaskill moves away from mandate - David Catanese - POLITICO.com

    in the fall, the show me's voted 71% for measure c to kill the pernicious provision

    and without the mandate the entire obamacare unravels

    if mccaskill comes over, what do you think will be the disposition of senators considerably to her center on health care, like ben nelson, kent conrad, jon tester, joe manchin, jim webb, joe lieberman?

    the uk may be ahead of us, here, but we're catching up

    the catch phrase is AUSTERITY

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    UK Government Plans Major Health Care Reform - ABC News



    it takes a long time to turn a ship as big as an EU member economy

    the french, english and germans are a couple years ahead of the united states, which only began its 180 degree redirection on nov 2

    the house will vote to REPEAL obamacare on wednesday

    it will likely stall upstairs

    but then we'll lop at the leviathan piece by piece

    we'll start with the individual mandate, with senator mccaskill of missouri already on our side

    McCaskill moves away from mandate - David Catanese - POLITICO.com

    in the fall, the show me's voted 71% for measure c to kill the pernicious provision

    and without the mandate the entire obamacare unravels

    if mccaskill comes over, what do you think will be the disposition of senators considerably to her center on health care, like ben nelson, kent conrad, jon tester, joe manchin, jim webb, joe lieberman?

    the uk may be ahead of us, here, but we're catching up

    the catch phrase is AUSTERITY
    Now, now, Boo isn't going to like that nor is he going to like this

    Tick, tick, tick: The cost of Obamacare is a time bomb | Timothy P. Carney | Politics | Washington Examiner

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    Why not? Did any one read it?

    Look, I know posting links without any understanding of what is posted seems to be a popular habit for some, but nothing there disputes anything I've argued. Try again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Why not? Did any one read it?

    Look, I know posting links without any understanding of what is posted seems to be a popular habit for some, but nothing there disputes anything I've argued. Try again.
    Understand it and you completely, it is all about access with you and the hell with the cost. This bill gives access just like MA did but at an increased cost and without improvement in quality. It doesn't matter to you as to the cost as long as somone else pays and the ignorant part of that is you are included in making those payments that drive up costs, do nothing to improve quality, and doesn't improve quality.

    You cannot sell your own state therefore you want to force your ideologue on the rest of the country. You are in for a costly disappointment.

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    I hope they also plan to allow hospitals to turn away ER patients who can't afford to pay. You know, since paying for the healthcare of others is so terrible for us. If we're not going to do it efficiently, maybe we should stop doing it.
    Every Dems that voted for that piece of **** without reading it (likely everyone), should get a life sentence in prison and lose their pension. You don't even know what was in it. That alone is good reason to repeal it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Every Dems that voted for that piece of **** without reading it (likely everyone), should get a life sentence in prison and lose their pension. You don't even know what was in it. That alone is good reason to repeal it.
    It really must frost your pumpkin to know that nothing the House does on this matter means a hill of beans. This is the ultimate in a futile gesture attempted by the impotent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It really must frost your pumpkin to know that nothing the House does on this matter means a hill of beans. This is the ultimate in a futile gesture attempted by the impotent.
    You and the rest of the Obama supporters have offered nothing to support Obamacare and tell us how it will lower costs and improve quality. Obama says it is good and you buy it. Doesn't matter that Obama hasn't been accurate on any prediction yet.

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    You and the rest of the Obama supporters have offered nothing to support Obamacare and tell us how it will lower costs and improve quality. Obama says it is good and you buy it. Doesn't matter that Obama hasn't been accurate on any prediction yet.
    But it really must frustrate you to know that the law is already passed and you have emotionally and intellectually invested so heavilly in opposing it and all this repeal talk is just a impotent gesture that is meaningless in the end.
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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    But it really must frustrate you to know that the law is already passed and you have emotionally and intellectually invested so heavilly in opposing it and all this repeal talk is just a impotent gesture that is meaningless in the end.
    It frustrates me that an Administration who claimed it would be the most transparent in history has failed on every piece of legislation to meet that promise and yet people like you continue to buy the rhetoric. "We have to pass the bill to see what is in it" was Pelosi and now that we know what is in it we find that the the basic demand in the bill, personal mandate, may be unconstitutional. That is something you support?

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    Re: G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

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    And it will be bi-partisan! (Notice the NYT journOlists refrain from mentioning that bit?)

    How about the Senate? Will we see bi-partisanship there? Or more bull-ship? ROTFLOL.
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    Decisive, historic victories are game changing. I wonder... how many Dems that voted for the stink bomb called ObamaKare will vote to repeal it?

    Any guesses?

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    Oh, great, so America will be the first country to successfully enter the 20th century, and then regress back to the 19th.

    Fantastic.

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