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    Re: Navy opens investigation into raunchy videos

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Does that include Dan Choi? He violated the hell out of the regulations.
    I'm not familiar with his case and what regulations he violated.

    Was he in a supervisory position where judgement plays a key role?

    What are the sanctions for the regulations he violated?

    If the sanction is expulsion and the violations were serious...then yes, it would include him. I just don't know enough about him to answer your inquiry. Sorry.
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    Re: Navy opens investigation into raunchy videos

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I'm not familiar with his case and what regulations he violated.

    Was he in a supervisory position where judgement plays a key role?

    What are the sanctions for the regulations he violated?

    If the sanction is expulsion and the violations were serious...then yes, it would include him. I just don't know enough about him to answer your inquiry. Sorry.
    He was an officer. He violated regulations. What more is there to know?

    If we can't expect a commissioned officer to follow the simple regulations to the letter, how can we expect that same officer to follow the more difficult regulations, to the letter?

    Isn't that the argument? Officer showing poor judgement in the face of their command?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Navy opens investigation into raunchy videos

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He was an officer. He violated regulations. What more is there to know?
    Is expulsion the required sanction for violating a regulation? or does it depend on the egrigiousness of the violation.

    I also think it makes a difference if you are in a supervisory position. Was the guy you are talking about?
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    Re: Navy opens investigation into raunchy videos

    Here's the answer to your question, Disney:

    Article 92—Failure to obey order or regulation

    Failure to obey a regulation is an Article 92 offense, which is punishable by court martial.
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    Re: Navy opens investigation into raunchy videos

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Is expulsion the required sanction for violating a regulation? or does it depend on the egrigiousness of the violation.

    I also think it makes a difference if you are in a supervisory position. Was the guy you are talking about?
    Ohhhhhh, so that now we're talking about a gay soldier--a more PC situation--it suddenly comes with conditions.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Navy opens investigation into raunchy videos

    Quote Originally Posted by Sidgaf View Post
    Navy opens investigation into raunchy videos - CNN.com

    I think this is the video Yes it is NSFW
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WopAHvbg9LU

    some people need to get a life. I didn't see nothing that you wouldn't see on a college campus / dorm rooms
    The United States Navy is not a frat nor a college.... If you want to have the country defended by frat boys, or you think a fleet with assets worth more than $1B capable of deploying nuclear weapons should be commanded by a Captain with the mentality of a college sophomore ..... well, God help us.
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    Re: Navy opens investigation into raunchy videos

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, yes or no, should he be allowed to return to the service, considering that he knowingly violated the regulations?

    Anyone else, that feels like answering this question, please, don't hesitate.
    Knowingly violated what regulations? DADT? If that is the discharge, then it is always made under the assumption that if the rules change they could be reinstated, hence the type of discharge.
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    Re: Navy opens investigation into raunchy videos

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Knowingly violated what regulations? DADT? If that is the discharge, then it is always made under the assumption that if the rules change they could be reinstated, hence the type of discharge.
    Who said anything about DADT?

    However, what I'm talking about is his violation of the regulations, by wearing his uniform to a political event. That's a violation of the regulations and officer don't get to pick and choose which regulations are important and which regulations aren't worth worrying about. Right?

    He has a professional responsibility to set an example for his enlisted soldiers. Does he not? Setting a bad example for his junior enlisted men is unbecoming of a officer. Is it not? Isn't it that officer's duty to be the adult supervison that informs the soldiers under his charge that the moment, "when they have to be [serious]", is upon them? How can an officer, who violated the most simple of regulations, be expected to provide that level of adult supervison for his soldiers?

    Or, is does this just boil down to what's PC and what isn't and has nothing to do with the actual regulations and good order of our armed services?
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    Re: Navy opens investigation into raunchy videos

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    All of which don't mean a thing if he's so unproffesional that he'd send a video like this out to the nearly 6000 service members on his ship.[/QUOTE]

    And no one cared for years until DADT repeal came along.......You think they should keelhaul the guy?
    I don't think that this had so much to do with the DADT repeal as it did with him being reassigned to the ship as her CO. There were probably at least a couple of people still aboard that ship that were there when he was XO and making those videos, plus the videos were still available to be seen on at least one of the ship's computers. If there were people on board who had seen these videos (either while he was XO or after his time aboard) and they were offended, then they may very well have not wanted to serve under this guy being CO. From the videos, it may appear that this guy wouldn't seriously look into charges of sexual harassment or discrimination (even if this wasn't true, the videos still could be perceived to look this way). It would only take one person who was afraid of this scenario to turn these videos into the media if it didn't appear that the Navy was going to do anything about it.

    It is even possible that someone higher up, not even in the chain of command of the carrier turned the videos into the press.

    Either way, it is the perception that matters, not how the guy actually acts. And this is especially true for officers in command. There can be no perception that they are not going to seriously observe the rules of the Navy.
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    Re: Navy opens investigation into raunchy videos

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Who said anything about DADT?

    However, what I'm talking about is his violation of the regulations, by wearing his uniform to a political event. That's a violation of the regulations and officer don't get to pick and choose which regulations are important and which regulations aren't worth worrying about. Right?

    He has a professional responsibility to set an example for his enlisted soldiers. Does he not? Setting a bad example for his junior enlisted men is unbecoming of a officer. Is it not? Isn't it that officer's duty to be the adult supervison that informs the soldiers under his charge that the moment, "when they have to be [serious]", is upon them? How can an officer, who violated the most simple of regulations, be expected to provide that level of adult supervison for his soldiers?

    Or, is does this just boil down to what's PC and what isn't and has nothing to do with the actual regulations and good order of our armed services?
    He did that after his discharge.
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