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    Re: "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tampa

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    It's one step closer to being stopped on the street and questioned just because you're there.
    That happens a lot in this country. Especially if you're poor and black. Too many people have let it slide for 40 years because it was happening to someone else. Now the rest of us are getting stopped and searched. Just getting on an airplane is considered probable cause now. We let them treat us all like criminals, even though we're not breaking any laws.
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    Re: "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tampa

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Oh give me a break.
    Lets bring out photos of accidents! Here is one from an elderly driver!

    Accidents are what it's all about. Let's by all means compare photos of accidents caused by alcohol with those caused by those "elderly" drivers.

    Or, we could look at some dry old dull statistics:

    It has been estimated that 7 percent of all crashes and 44 percent of fatal crashes involve alcohol use. The risk of a fatal crash is estimated to be from three to fifteen times higher for a drunk driver (one with a BAC of at least 0.10 to 100 milligrams of alcohol for each 100 milliliters of blood—the legal limit in most U.S. states) than for a nondrinking driver. Alcohol is more frequently present in fatal than in nonfatal crashes. About 25 to 35 percent of those drivers requiring ER care for injuries resulting from such crashes have a BAC of 0.10 or greater.
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    Re: "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tampa

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I have been through checkpoints where, despite being sober (I don't drink), I was required to show license and registration ("Your papers, citizen!"), was asked where I was going and what I had been doing (I've been at work, I'm going home, duh), and other questions that were actually none of their damn business, given that I had violated NO traffic laws or other laws.

    I frigging hate roadblocks. It's one step closer to being stopped on the street and questioned just because you're there.
    Exactly right. People who support them appear to have zero understanding of the constitution.

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    Re: "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tampa

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    That was my thought. Maybe in Florida they are behind the times.

    I thought every state already had these provisions in the law that stated that if you refuse a roadside sobriety test, youlose your license.

    Why would a judge need to be there to issue a warrant at that moment, and what judge would want to out on a cold night, most likely a holiday, doing that?
    I read an article concerning the same types of checkpoints that have been used around the San Antonio area. Towards the end there were some interviews with DWI defense lawyers. One lawyer said that he has a large number of DWI cases that have been in the courts system for over five years. These cases were attributed to warrants that had not been filled out correctly. I guess that answers your "What kind of judge" question.
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    Re: "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tampa

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Exactly how is this constitutional? Freaking Florida.
    It's constitutional because we've freaked out about drunk driving and as a result will allow ANY intrusion by the police into the matter. Same reason DUI check points and the such are "constitutional". Not enough people complain because no one wants to think rationally about it.
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    Re: "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tampa

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Accidents are what it's all about. Let's by all means compare photos of accidents caused by alcohol with those caused by those "elderly" drivers.

    Or, we could look at some dry old dull statistics:

    It has been estimated that 7 percent of all crashes and 44 percent of fatal crashes involve alcohol use. The risk of a fatal crash is estimated to be from three to fifteen times higher for a drunk driver (one with a BAC of at least 0.10 to 100 milligrams of alcohol for each 100 milliliters of blood—the legal limit in most U.S. states) than for a nondrinking driver. Alcohol is more frequently present in fatal than in nonfatal crashes. About 25 to 35 percent of those drivers requiring ER care for injuries resulting from such crashes have a BAC of 0.10 or greater.
    Of that 44%, they'll include any and all BAC. Meaning that someone with a BAC of .015 (one beer) would be counted as alcohol related death if said person were so unlucky as to be involved in a fatal accident on the way home.
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    Re: "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tampa

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think anytime this kind of **** occurs citizens should get together and go through these check points and refuse the breathalyzer. Anytime the government wishes to infringe on rights the citizens should make it as financially and time costly as possible.
    Oh yeah! james, organization really could put a halt to this garbage. Form a caravan as long as possible and have everyone soak a handkerchief in beer the day before, then put the damp handkerchief in the breast pocket, refuse the breath test, and give them bunches of clean blood draws to work on in the lab. The downside would be the traffic jam from Hell.

    It's a really great idea.
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    Re: "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tampa

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    Full Story HERE


    Street Judges? Reminds me of Judge Dredd. "I AM the law"
    Seems like this should violate some type of separation of powers. I also wonder what constitutes "reasonable suspicion" to take the blood since this is a checkpoint situation. Many times refusal constitutes "reasonable suspicion" which is bogus.
    I believe checkpoint are unconstitutional period. This IMO is another example of the American people are tolerant of an unconstitutional practice because it has become the norm and it is "for the public safety" or "the greater good". Now the government takes that practice to another level to see if they can get away with it also.
    When you're an idiot who drives drunk, you give up your rights.

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    File this thread topic under BFD.

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    Re: "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tampa

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Of that 44%, they'll include any and all BAC. Meaning that someone with a BAC of .015 (one beer) would be counted as alcohol related death if said person were so unlucky as to be involved in a fatal accident on the way home.
    Does that mean you think the stats are being inflated? Why would anyone do that?
    Alcohol, according to the link, is the #2 cause of accidents, with fast aggressive driving being the first. I'm still not convinced that checkpoints are the best idea, or that they are even constitutional, but both drunk driving and fast aggressive driving needs to be severely cracked down on. It seems likely to me that the two are related as well, as alcohol tends to cloud people's judgement.
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    Re: "No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tampa

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    When you're an idiot who drives drunk, you give up your rights.

    IMHO.
    And IMO your opinion is very dangerous.

    1. This is a checkpoint, dealing with those potentially over the limit and those who are NOT.
    2. regardless of what crime you are /ACCUSED/ of doing, DUE PROCESS is still a term with meaning.
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