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    Re: Sanitation Department's slow snow clean-up was a budget protest

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    blah blah blah...you lived in michigan, thats great j,

    Don't minimize my experiences, I won't do that to you. I didn't say I just lived in MI, I said I grew up there. Most if not all of my close friends worked for GM or their feeder companies like GMPD, and Delco. I saw first hand how things went.

    how many meetings did you attend when you were union? how involved did you get in your union....i bet you never got involved at all,
    To be fair, the one union I was a part of, Teamsters 535, Wharehouse division, we drivers were a very small part of it as a whole, and more of a dues cow to paint it accurately. The union didn't care about us, and we only had them there as a negotiating tool at contract time. Plus I was extremely young, early 20s, and was more concerned at the time with living, and partying than real issues. So when they would get us an extra 1/2 cent per case delivered, I moved on.

    As I grew older and wiser, and in different companies I drove for, that would come up against unionization challenges, I saw the thuggery that took place. Heck, even had my windshield busted by strikers at the gates.

    because if you had been involved, you would know that unions are not the monsters you make them out to be, that they arent all powerful when it comes to getting a contract,
    Oh come on now, are you telling me that a Union that goes on strike in a town like Flint, or Lansing doesn't bring the company to its knees through the damage done to small business caused by the union walk outs? Since when have you in your union career not gotten what you wanted in a contract negotiated through threat, or action of strike.

    that the reps don't just walk up to management, and tell them how its going to be....
    No, they threaten, and destroy the economy, and lives of other people in the community so that they can get what they want as a form of pressure.

    good god, please don't speak about things you have no understanding of, or that you choose to be willfully ignorant of. it is really unbecoming.
    In your arrogance to slander me, or to diminish my thoughts, your ignorance abounds sir.


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    Re: Sanitation Department's slow snow clean-up was a budget protest

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    If true, and it seems to be so. they should be held criminally responsible...


    these mother****ers already have a sweetheart deal.


    Meet The Hundreds Of NYC Sanitation Workers Who Earn Over $100,000

    And they have the nerve to pull something like this? The mayor, for all his tyrannical bull**** I would say nothing if he were to sign an EO disbanding this union and hiring all new folk
    I only looked at about the first 12 pages (out of 646) and here are the first five, Making over $100,000, I found on the list:


    Sanitation, Department of Acquista, Robert General Superintendent Annual $104,672
    Sanitation, Department of Adamo, Jacob General Superintendent Annual $104,672
    Sanitation, Department of Albano, Thomas General Superintendent Annual $135,439
    Sanitation, Department of Allard, Vincent General Superintendent Annual $104,672
    Sanitation, Department of Alvarez, Richard Supervisor Of Mechanics Annual $115,225


    Hmmmmm, all supervisors and still not that much money for NYC. Most of the workers made what these two guys made:


    Sanitation, Department of Alvarez, Luis Sanitation Worker Annual $66,672
    Sanitation, Department of Amato, Robert Sanitation Worker Annual $66,672



    There were 646 pages, with 20 names listed per page, so that's approximately 12920 Sanitation employees and they only found 315 making over $100,000 a year in NYC? Shocking!
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    Re: Sanitation Department's slow snow clean-up was a budget protest

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Don't minimize my experiences, I won't do that to you. I didn't say I just lived in MI, I said I grew up there. Most if not all of my close friends worked for GM or their feeder companies like GMPD, and Delco. I saw first hand how things went.



    To be fair, the one union I was a part of, Teamsters 535, Wharehouse division, we drivers were a very small part of it as a whole, and more of a dues cow to paint it accurately. The union didn't care about us, and we only had them there as a negotiating tool at contract time. Plus I was extremely young, early 20s, and was more concerned at the time with living, and partying than real issues. So when they would get us an extra 1/2 cent per case delivered, I moved on.

    As I grew older and wiser, and in different companies I drove for, that would come up against unionization challenges, I saw the thuggery that took place. Heck, even had my windshield busted by strikers at the gates.



    Oh come on now, are you telling me that a Union that goes on strike in a town like Flint, or Lansing doesn't bring the company to its knees through the damage done to small business caused by the union walk outs? Since when have you in your union career not gotten what you wanted in a contract negotiated through threat, or action of strike.



    No, they threaten, and destroy the economy, and lives of other people in the community so that they can get what they want as a form of pressure.



    In your arrogance to slander me, or to diminish my thoughts, your ignorance abounds sir.


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    slander you..lol...you just admitted you never got involved with the union you were a part of, so, you know squat. you grew up in michigan, good for you, so did i....i got alot , not all, but alot, of what i wanted this contract, which we ratified 2 months ago..never threatend the company, never hinted at a strike, actually agreed to a pay freeze for 3 years, which the company wanted , which helps them to stay competitive....we got two extra vacation days, an unpaid personal day, the ability to use half a vacation day if we need to, for appointments and such, and our big gain was double time on sundays...no j, unions improve the lot of those who are members, and union members are not thugs, or out to 'break' their employers...please explain why a union would intentionally try to drive an employer out of business? seems rather conterproductive to me....plant shuts down, union member out of job...doesnt seem to work for either side, but hey, thats just me and my logic. My union and My company worked together on an agreement, and got one both sides could live with...
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    Re: Sanitation Department's slow snow clean-up was a budget protest

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    slander you..lol...you just admitted you never got involved with the union you were a part of, so, you know squat. you grew up in michigan, good for you, so did i....i got alot , not all, but alot, of what i wanted this contract, which we ratified 2 months ago..never threatend the company, never hinted at a strike, actually agreed to a pay freeze for 3 years, which the company wanted , which helps them to stay competitive....we got two extra vacation days, an unpaid personal day, the ability to use half a vacation day if we need to, for appointments and such, and our big gain was double time on sundays...no j, unions improve the lot of those who are members, and union members are not thugs, or out to 'break' their employers...please explain why a union would intentionally try to drive an employer out of business? seems rather conterproductive to me....plant shuts down, union member out of job...doesnt seem to work for either side, but hey, thats just me and my logic. My union and My company worked together on an agreement, and got one both sides could live with...

    to put that into perspective I would need to know particulars you probably won't divulge online, such as what do you do, and how does your job match up with similar non union jobs in the same area for starters.


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    Re: Sanitation Department's slow snow clean-up was a budget protest

    There seems little point in his responding, since your primitive view on the functioning of unions is at least 40 years out of date.
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    Re: Sanitation Department's slow snow clean-up was a budget protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    There seems little point in his responding, since your primitive view on the functioning of unions is at least 40 years out of date.

    cop out! Just admit that you haven't contributed anything to this portion of the discussion, and move on Danger.


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    Re: Sanitation Department's slow snow clean-up was a budget protest

    Government employee unionization is absurd. They need to shut that stuff down. Reagan had no issue doing it. Fire every one of the ****ers and let them enjoy finding a job in an economic recession. There is a line of better candidates waiting for those jobs (well, really they are still on unemployment and probably not all that interested, but what the ****).

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    Re: Sanitation Department's slow snow clean-up was a budget protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    Government employee unionization is absurd. They need to shut that stuff down. Reagan had no issue doing it. Fire every one of the ****ers and let them enjoy finding a job in an economic recession. There is a line of better candidates waiting for those jobs (well, really they are still on unemployment and probably not all that interested, but what the ****).
    ABSOLUTELY! There is NO place for Unions in Public Service sector jobs.

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    Re: Sanitation Department's slow snow clean-up was a budget protest

    uh oh

    Criminal investigations are under way to find out why it took so long to dig out from last week’s massive snow storm.

    Videos released exclusively to CBS 2’s Marcia Kramer suggest that the clean-up job may have been dirtier than once thought.

    One video is now in the hands of prosecutors. It shows two sanitation trucks driving down 155th Street in the Whitestone section of Queens after the blizzard without removing the snow.

    Their plows were apparently raised and the snow was left untouched in their wake, apparent proof that some in the Sanitation Department engineered a work slowdown.

    Sanitation workers spotted asleep on the job, apparently hanging out at a Coney Island Dunkin Donuts for 11 straight hours and some drinking beer for six or seven hours instead of working are all being probed.
    Apparent Proof Of NYC Blizzard Clean-Up Slow-Down Surfaces CBS New York – News, Sports, Weather, Traffic and the Best of NY

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