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    Re: Sanitation Department's slow snow clean-up was a budget protest

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    paul simon shoveled out party bosses and bigwigs?

    where was artie?

    singing lie-la-lie?

    as for all those streets cleared, maybe you should ask the mom of the braindead baby
    What would she know about who cleared the hundreds of miles of NY Streets that everybody else does not know? or is this your attempt to bring emotionalism into this?

    You would hope that the big publicity these allegations got in the last 24 hours would have provided the impetus for somebody to step forward with actual evidence of wrongdoing. The people of NY CIty deserve that.
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    Re: Sanitation Department's slow snow clean-up was a budget protest

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    btw - how did all those hundreds of miles of streets get plowed in the union workers were not plowing them properly?
    i don't know, i wasn't there

    but ms rose, mr markowitz, mr stuart and ms marshall were

    Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Thursday his administration fulfilled a promise to plow every city street, but elected officials and others insisted some streets never saw a plow before the 7 a.m. deadline, marking another setback for the beleaguered mayor.

    Council Member Debi Rose of Staten Island, who met with the mayor during his tour Thursday of every borough outside Manhattan, said she believes the city's sluggish response to the post-Christmas blizzard has dealt a serious blow to the mayor's reputation. "This could be the straw that breaks New York City's back in terms of how well they think, a good job, the mayor has done," said Ms. Rose. "I was stranded for three days myself. I could not get out," Ms. Rose said. "Something went drastically wrong with this snow removal."

    The mayor said the administration plans to conduct a full investigation into the city's response to the storm. That probe will include examining allegations that disgruntled members of the Department of Sanitation deliberately slowed the snow removal as a protest.

    During a news conference in Queens, Mr. Bloomberg again conceded that his administration's response to the storm was both "inadequate and unacceptable," an about-face from his defiant stance during the early portion of the cleanup effort. "Clearly the response to this storm has not met our standards or the standards that New Yorkers have come to expect from us," he said. "The long delays in plowing some of the city streets should not have happened. We're not making excuses."

    At the same time, Mr. Bloomberg said the city met its commitment to plow every street, except those blocked by stranded vehicles, at least once by 7 a.m. Thursday. The mayor estimated there were about a dozen of those blocked roads in one section of Brooklyn and a handful of others elsewhere.

    Some city residents and elected officials disputed the mayor's contention. "We still have quite a few blocks that have not been touched, still have quite a few blocks," Brooklyn Borough President Marty Markowitz said. He added: "There is no excuse for this—absolutely no excuse. This was an outrage."

    Moments after the mayor finished speaking, Queens Borough President Helen Marshall, who hadn't been invited to speak, approached the lectern to dispute the mayor's remarks. "Most of the roads, even where I live, there's still about four inches right where the cars and everything go," she said. During the last several days, she said, residents from nearly every section of Queens called her office, saying, "Where is the plow? Where is the plow?"
    Criticism of Mayor Mounts - WSJ.com

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    Re: Sanitation Department's slow snow clean-up was a budget protest

    Aren't some of these folks the same ones that back JA and wikileaks?

    Just sayin...
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    Re: Sanitation Department's slow snow clean-up was a budget protest

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Aren't some of these folks the same ones that back JA and wikileaks?

    Just sayin...

    Well, yes, yes I think they are....Also, one should remember back to the times of Bush...I am wondering if they are also some of the same voices that not only believed anonymous sourcing against that administration, but shifted any criticism of that use in pointing out how we should debate what is alleged, and not how it was alleged. Shameful.


    This whole story, Children dying, heart attacks going unattended to, Plows traversing streets with plows up 4 days later, Plowmen sleeping instead of doing their job, Sickouts. What a pile of crap these unions are. They should be outlawed in the public services sector.


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    Re: Sanitation Department's slow snow clean-up was a budget protest

    If this report is true, then the instigators should be fired or somehow disciplined. However, I would like to see reports from a reputable source first.

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    Re: Sanitation Department's slow snow clean-up was a budget protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Lol and here MaggieD comes ever so predictably jamming words down our throats. Perhaps Maggie you could point out where I said this is untrue?

    I'll save you the time and let you know that you can't because I haven't even offered a position on the story, but merely pointed out that the OP and his cronies are lying by portraying this hearsay from unnamed sources as true.

    And now here you come lying yourself by deliberately misrepresenting my post so that you can claim that I'm "just as bad".

    Were you not thinking that I would catch your lie? Or were you just not thinking at all when you wrote that post? I'd give you the benefit of the doubt but I can't decide if it's worse to be a liar or an idiot.
    I lied? Hardly. Your post I referred to called the OP a liar. You seem to like calling posters that...albeit coming in by different doors. Ha! In his first sentence, he calls the charges "ALLEGED."

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I am from the planet where you stand tall and be a man. In my employment history i did not hesitate to take on my employer several times and never once did it hiding behind the outhouse pretending it was not me...[another post follows]

    My experience is that if you want to be taken seriously, you stand up and be counted. Eventually, you usually have to do so anyways if it gets anywhere. In addition, I, just like these workers, had union protection so their status as whistle blowers should be protected several different ways. And with the god-like Rupert Murdoch and his bastion of shining journalism on their side, who would dare try to retaliate against such righteousness?
    Whistleblowing on this level is scarey. If true that you had union protection, then you know darned well that can mean absolutely nothing re on-the-job and OFF-the-job intimidation. Pulleeeze.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I fully support any investigation if there is reasonable cause to go forth and have one. People here are constantly complaining about government spending and protecting the taxpayer. Lets do it here also. If people come forward with credible information and it bears out, have the investigation and let the chips fall where they may. The key there is people coming forward and being willing to do what is right.
    If you'da made THIS post instead of the first one you DID make, you'da had no complaints from me.

    I do NOT think I am any sort of paragon of bravery. I simply do as I was raised to do. In this world you can only die once. Might as well do it standing up like a man. But in this case, these are supposedly union members with protections and due process plus you have whistle blower laws also. I was never much for anonymous letters or whisper campaigns behind somebodys back. It always struck me as not the right thing to be doing.
    OMG, talk about drama. "You can only die once." Whistleblowers are allowed to remain anonymous for a reason. That you can't understand that simply means you're out of the loop.

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    If this report is true, then the instigators should be fired or somehow disciplined. However, I would like to see reports from a reputable source first.
    First sentence? Agreed. Last one? I would like to see the charges substantiated -- reputable has nothing to do with anonymous.
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    Re: Sanitation Department's slow snow clean-up was a budget protest

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    First sentence? Agreed. Last one? I would like to see the charges substantiated -- reputable has nothing to do with anonymous.
    I was, of course, speaking from the peanut gallary perspective. But you are right, there should be an investigation into this and if found true, there should be hell to pay.

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    Re: Sanitation Department's slow snow clean-up was a budget protest

    Unions breathing their last breath. Pension funds drying up. Early retirement for union workers looking less likely.

    Sounds like we need us another stimulus package.

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    Re: Sanitation Department's slow snow clean-up was a budget protest

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, yes, yes I think they are....Also, one should remember back to the times of Bush...I am wondering if they are also some of the same voices that not only believed anonymous sourcing against that administration, but shifted any criticism of that use in pointing out how we should debate what is alleged, and not how it was alleged. Shameful.


    This whole story, Children dying, heart attacks going unattended to, Plows traversing streets with plows up 4 days later, Plowmen sleeping instead of doing their job, Sickouts. What a pile of crap these unions are. They should be outlawed in the public services sector.


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    Re: Sanitation Department's slow snow clean-up was a budget protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    A-FREAKING-MEN! ^^^^ Here it is folks. You've sucked America dry long enough, either take this NEW pay and compensation plan, or an ad goes out in the paper tomorrow? It'll read, the US Federal/local/state government is hiring in all areas, please apply. I don't see how the unions hold any actual power in negotiations. Their power is in corrupt politicians! I can think of about, what, 13 million unemployed that would love to answer that ad..


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    What really burns me, is that these guy's make salaries that those unemployed could only dream of.


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