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    Re: rmed and ready for Ivorian intervention?

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    Re: rmed and ready for Ivorian intervention?

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I disagree. No compelling U.S. interests are involved.
    Define "compelling US interest."

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1
    In fact, similar arguments were made when the U.S. intervened in Somalia beginning in 1992, another case where no compelling U.S. interests were involved.
    There also was no clear mission in Somalia, no exit strategy, and no local partners to work with. This analogy is invalid. Just because they happened to be located on opposite ends of the same continent does not mean that Somalia is anything like Cote D'Ivoire. We've intervened in Haiti, Kosovo, and Timor-Leste without any compelling national interests, and we've generally accomplished our goals there.

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    That move was a disaster and should never have occurred. Neither should U.S. military intervention in Cote D'Ivoire even as I hope that the dictator who refuses to relinquish power ultimately falls. The regional states do have a compelling interest in the situation and, if they choose to intervene militarily, that would be a course of action consistent with their interests.
    Although I'm not necessarily opposed to regional action, the US is much better equipped to deal with this sort of thing than West African nations are. Not only in terms of money and manpower, but also in terms of risk. Regional involvement carries the risk of a broader war in West Africa.
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    Re: rmed and ready for Ivorian intervention?

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    After the experience of the last decade I think Americans will be reluctant to send troops overseas for any purpose. Sending US troops on humanitarian missions is a nonstarter.
    That was one of the biggest hidden tragedies of the war in Iraq. It's caused virtually the entire left (and many on the right) to become isolationist and unwilling to commit US troops to anything. People scream "Iraq" at the mere mention of US military involvement anywhere in the world.
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    Re: rmed and ready for Ivorian intervention?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    That was one of the biggest hidden tragedies of the war in Iraq. It's caused virtually the entire left (and many on the right) to become isolationist and unwilling to commit US troops to anything. People scream "Iraq" at the mere mention of US military involvement anywhere in the world.
    The experience of the last decade transformed me from a Realist to an Isolationist. I want no contact with other countries except normal trade and low key diplomatic relations. Nothing else.

    As far as I am concerned American troops should never again leave American soil under any circumstances. No exceptions.

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    Re: rmed and ready for Ivorian intervention?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Yes they are. For one, the commanders are all French citizens, the language spoken is French. The members can apply for French citizenship after 3 years of service also.

    There are also many non US citizens serving in the US armed forces, does that mean under your definition that the US armed forces are not American?
    It's against French law, for French citizens to join the Foreign Legion.
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    Re: rmed and ready for Ivorian intervention?

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I disagree. No compelling U.S. interests are involved. In fact, similar arguments were made when the U.S. intervened in Somalia beginning in 1992, another case where no compelling U.S. interests were involved. That move was a disaster and should never have occurred. Neither should U.S. military intervention in Cote D'Ivoire even as I hope that the dictator who refuses to relinquish power ultimately falls. The regional states do have a compelling interest in the situation and, if they choose to intervene militarily, that would be a course of action consistent with their interests.
    Just for clarity, I'm not opposed to sending US troops so much because there's no need, as I am to sending them over there on a fool's errand, that was planned by politicians and diplomats.
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    Re: rmed and ready for Ivorian intervention?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    All I am saying, is give peace a chance...
    Vance says give it a chance.
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    Re: rmed and ready for Ivorian intervention?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Vance says give it a chance.
    Come on now...seriously. If we dont speak harshly of them, dont call them terrorists, dont speak about aggressively ending their murderous...errr...expansionist ways, then they will see us truly as a partner in peace, lay down their arms, and all will be well. They will like us...they'll really really like us.

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    Re: rmed and ready for Ivorian intervention?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It would have the effect of giving the Ivorian people their legitimate government, helping to end a poverty trap in Africa, and discouraging other would-be despots from stealing elections or staging coups of their own.
    How would it help end the "poverty trap?"
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    Re: rmed and ready for Ivorian intervention?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Instability spreads disease, raises the price of commodities, provides potential terrorist havens, and lowers the economic output of our potential trading partners.
    Proof? For each thing that was mentioned?
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