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    Re: N.J. lawmaker questions absence of Christie, lt. gov. during blizzard

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Weren't you all over Obama for not being close enough the gulf oil spill when he was perfectly capable of giving orders from the White House?

    Holy double standards batman!
    I was all over Obama for his slow reaction to get skimmers, and anything else to clean up and keep the oil from the marshes as it was spewing out. I was all over Obama for the moratorium. When he was there it was just for photo shoots and to jump on Jindal about making him look bad in the press. He was telling people to vacation in the state to help their economy while he didn't and his wife was off taking a lavish vacation in Spain. I had the impression from Obama that the worse the spill the better for his cap and trade agenda.
    The oil spill vs a blizzard = no comparison
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    Re: N.J. lawmaker questions absence of Christie, lt. gov. during blizzard

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I was all over Obama for his slow reaction to get skimmers, and anything else to clean up and keep the oil from the marshes as it was spewing out. I was all over Obama for the moratorium. When he was there it was just for photo shoots and to jump on Jindal about making him look bad in the press. He was telling people to vacation in the state to help their economy while he didn't and his wife was off taking a lavish vacation in Spain. I had the impression from Obama that the worse the spill the better for his cap and trade agenda.
    The oil spill vs a blizzard = no comparison
    I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt on this, mostly because I don't feel like putting the effort into dredging up old posts. However, I recall one of the chief complaints about Obama was that he didn't seem leadery enough and wasn't personally taking charge.

    I feel the same way about that as I do about this. Christie should not have to personally take charge of the response, we have professional disaster management and transportation department people, who have expertise in the area, for this sort of thing. This whole thing against Christie is a stupid complaint.

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    Re: N.J. lawmaker questions absence of Christie, lt. gov. during blizzard

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt on this, mostly because I don't feel like putting the effort into dredging up old posts. However, I recall one of the chief complaints about Obama was that he didn't seem leadery enough and wasn't personally taking charge.
    Are you actually attempting to compare an oil spill with a snowstorm ????

    The snow will be cleared from streets before Christie can even get a flight back to Newark. The oil spill lasted for months, the snow will only last for a few days.

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    Re: N.J. lawmaker questions absence of Christie, lt. gov. during blizzard

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Are you actually attempting to compare an oil spill with a snowstorm ????

    The snow will be cleared from streets before Christie can even get a flight back to Newark. The oil spill lasted for months, the snow will only last for a few days.
    Yes I am because it is bringing up the same sort of sentiment from a lot of the posters that the oil spill did.

    For example, these same sort of comments were made about the oil spill only the ideologies were reversed (well not necessarily for samsmart since he is his own unique ideology)

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I don't mind Christie or his policies, generally, but I do think he should be back in New Jersey during a state of emergency for the state. It doesn't look good for him, but it hardly disqualifies his policies.
    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Good grief. What's he supposed to do, come back and shovel snow? I think he can give orders from Florida.
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    Re: N.J. lawmaker questions absence of Christie, lt. gov. during blizzard

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Yes I am because it is bringing up the same sort of sentiment from a lot of the posters that the oil spill did.

    For example, these same sort of comments were made about the oil spill only the ideologies were reversed (well not necessarily for samsmart since he is his own unique ideology)
    If you want to justify criticism of a government's reaction to the storm, you should go across the river to New York City. People have actually died there because the streets weren't cleared in a timely fashion.

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    Re: N.J. lawmaker questions absence of Christie, lt. gov. during blizzard

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    If you want to justify criticism of a government's reaction to the storm, you should go across the river to New York City. People have actually died there because the streets weren't cleared in a timely fashion.
    This is funny, in the very same post you are complaining about, I gave my feelings about the issue, I suggest you read the whole post.

    What we were talking about was my criticism of other people's criticism in which I felt there was hypocrisy due to partisanship.

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    Re: N.J. lawmaker questions absence of Christie, lt. gov. during blizzard

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Are you actually attempting to compare an oil spill with a snowstorm ????

    The snow will be cleared from streets before Christie can even get a flight back to Newark. The oil spill lasted for months, the snow will only last for a few days.
    Yet they ignore (D) Bloomberg who is doing a terrible job and a woman has lost her baby and another woman has died because no one could get them. I started a thread but doubt it will get much response.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...post1059186275
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    Re: N.J. lawmaker questions absence of Christie, lt. gov. during blizzard

    Whether the Governor was present or not is less important than whether New Jersey had an apparatus that made the right decisions to manage the situation. In New York City, Mayor Bloomberg was present and he literally botched the situation by having failed to declare a snow emergency that would have led to critical roads having been cleared of vehicles in advance of the blizzard. With the roads clogged by snow, a situation worsened by the Mayor's bad decision not to declare a snow emergency, up to 200 ambulances were stuck in the snow. All in all, New York City's failure to manage the situation might have led to its worst snow removal performance since the 1969 Lindsay snowstorm.

    Later, as the criticism mounted, he offered a flimsy excuse about where people were going to move their cars if he had declared a snow emergency. Yet, in the past i.e., February 2006 (26.9" snowfall--biggest in NYC's history) and February 2009 (20.9" snowfall), he did declare snow emergencies ahead of those storms and the clean-up results were much better.

    In sum, the Governor's being present would have helped him avoid negative perceptions of his being away during the blizzard. However, much more important is the decision making that occurred.
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    Re: N.J. lawmaker questions absence of Christie, lt. gov. during blizzard

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Yet they ignore (D) Bloomberg who is doing a terrible job and a woman has lost her baby and another woman has died because no one could get them. I started a thread but doubt it will get much response.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...post1059186275
    This is also a nonissue. It sucks that there was death, but with downturns in state funding this sort of thing is going to happen.

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    Re: N.J. lawmaker questions absence of Christie, lt. gov. during blizzard

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    This is also a nonissue. It sucks that there was death, but with downturns in state funding this sort of thing is going to happen.
    I know, NJ has an advantage because they are just rolling in the dough. :-)
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