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    Re: Republicans plan sweeping rules changes in new Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    With the elections of 2010 I thought that Republicans were finally getting serious about cutting the national debt; but, replacing PAY/GO with CUT/GO loosens the current rules.

    From your link...
    Under the old rule, if you wanted new spending, you had to either raise taxes or cut other spending. Now you can only cut spending.
    Why is the idea of paying for new spending by cutting other spending, instead of simply raising taxes, abhorant to you? I think cutting the crap spending and using that money, instead of new tax money, to cover the cost is a fantastic idea.

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    Re: Republicans plan sweeping rules changes in new Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Along with the 87 I should have mentioned that some of the old Congress is very much worth keeping. No need to throw the baby out with the bath water. You can poo poo on the new congress all you want. I'm willing to give them the second chance they asked for.
    I wasn't talking about the new Congress, I was just commenting on how you seem to think there's been some sweeping change of membership in Congress when in fact it is almost all the same.

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    Re: Republicans plan sweeping rules changes in new Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    … Why is the idea of paying for new spending by cutting other spending, instead of simply raising taxes, abhorant to you? I think cutting the crap spending and using that money, instead of new tax money, to cover the cost is a fantastic idea.
    Under the old rule new spending or reduced taxes must be offset either by reduced spending or new tax revenue. But under the proposed rule you can pass a new tax cut without paying for it, hence, adding to the deficit and the national debt.
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    Re: Republicans plan sweeping rules changes in new Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I know that, but it's not transparent in the same way statements are for publicly traded company's.. they attach hundreds of pages explaining financial debts, law suits, costs of ethical investigations, numbers subject to change, outstanding stocks/bonds, etc.. Those statements aren't that clear, and doesn't show all the spending in the government.
    Correct. For example, the Pentagon and the CIA have black budgets, which go into covert operations, R&D and whatnot and are all hidden into the defense budget under currently active programs, thus we may never know the true defense budget.
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    Re: Republicans plan sweeping rules changes in new Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Correct. For example, the Pentagon and the CIA have black budgets, which go into covert operations, R&D and whatnot and are all hidden into the defense budget under currently active programs, thus we may never know the true defense budget.
    And there are good reasons related to National Security for that to be the case. There is so much more total waste in all the other Departments that is readily identifiable. There are limits to transparentcy when you are talking about government operations that provide for our security.

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    Re: Republicans plan sweeping rules changes in new Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    It's a new day.
    It's an old broom doing the "sweeping" rules changes....

    we just extended the Bush tax cuts for 2 more years, a delay that will cause a lot of extra pain if/when we finally get a sane financially conservative congress in place.
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    Re: Republicans plan sweeping rules changes in new Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Under the old rule new spending or reduced taxes must be offset either by reduced spending or new tax revenue. But under the proposed rule you can pass a new tax cut without paying for it, hence, adding to the deficit and the national debt.
    I'm not sure I buy that interpretation. I'd expect that new tax cuts would be treated as spending, and thus, cuts elsewhere would be used to pay for them.

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    Re: Republicans plan sweeping rules changes in new Congress

    Excerpted from “GOP unveils strict House rules” By: Jonathan Allen and Jake Sherman, Politico, December 22, 2010 07:28 AM EST
    It's not clear, however, that the rules changes will require that Rules Committee alterations to major bills be posted online three days in advance of consideration on the floor. That would leave GOP leaders a significant exemption to make last-minute changes without such a long period of public scrutiny.
    Interesting. These rules may have some huge loop holes.
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    Re: Republicans plan sweeping rules changes in new Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Interesting. These rules may have some huge loop holes.
    Kind of like HCR bill no?

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    Re: Republicans plan sweeping rules changes in new Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Interesting. These rules may have some huge loop holes.
    The Dem will ahve their chance to offer their own rules changes, or amend the ones the GOP is proposing now. Don't forget, this has to be voted on and approved by Congress.

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