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    Re: Republicans plan sweeping rules changes in new Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    but don't the "minions" frequently change.. and if the people elected to vote on the budgets and proposals are not held responsible for knowing the status of all the accounts and debt management... why would those minions bother in knowing it either? As long as they are all getting paid, and bailed out, bailing out their friends... why does it matter how the taxpayers really fare and the younger generations?

    Perhaps SOME of them know.. but telling the president that what they doing isn't good in the long run.. say you need to make cuts, raise taxes, raise revenue, this program is too expensive.. is too difficult. I don't think either party wants to be truthful with the people.. just tell them what they want to hear and get elected... The fact is, republicans didn't complain when Bush ran up the debt.. and liberals would be whining right now if Bush was the one running it up
    I should have been more specific when I used the term "minions" I was speaking of the non-elected government employees. They actually see the details that build the big numbers. They can tell you down to the individual person the cost of benefits for example. No they do not change position often - these are government employees who tend to stay through all the changes of elected people.

    When I worked for the Comptroller of a large (fortune 100 size) reinsurance company, I ran the accounts payable and treasury department and one of my functions was to "build" the corporate budget. Each division would come to me and I would report all their previous years expenditures by line item (travel, salary, health care, office supplies etc). The division head would then use the guidance he was give - example - flat budget for next year, and then see what needed to be reduced or dropped to meet that goal, or given the other objectives for the coming year (expanded market penetration, or a new product launch), make the case for why his division need more not less in the budget in the coming year. When it got to the Comptroller, I provided only a summary by division at first, showing if we were or were not meeting the budget goal, and why or why not by division. He would then ask for the details he needed to decide if those below him had made acceptable decision.

    The other part of the puzzle was revenue projections, which I think is the missing part in Federal Gov. Budgeting. They focus on the expenditures WANTED and then go find a way to tax more to raise revenue. That is an option a private party does not have - command revenue growth

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    Re: Republicans plan sweeping rules changes in new Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    but don't the "minions" frequently change.. and if the people elected to vote on the budgets and proposals are not held responsible for knowing the status of all the accounts and debt management... why would those minions bother in knowing it either? As long as they are all getting paid, and bailed out, bailing out their friends... why does it matter how the taxpayers really fare and the younger generations?

    Perhaps SOME of them know.. but telling the president that what they doing isn't good in the long run.. say you need to make cuts, raise taxes, raise revenue, this program is too expensive.. is too difficult. I don't think either party wants to be truthful with the people.. just tell them what they want to hear and get elected... The fact is, republicans didn't complain when Bush ran up the debt.. and liberals would be whining right now if Bush was the one running it up
    Yes, many did and then Obama and the dems escalated the spending. Dems were also in control of congress for two yrs before Obama.
    I don't know why people think republicans, conservatives didn't have a problem with Bush spending when they did.If you watched Fox or listened to talk radio you'd know that. Sorry, if you expected everyone out in the street protesting at the time. No one realized just how out of control the spending was going to get at that time. Besides, if this administation had taken the paid back Tarp money and put it toward the deficit, Bush's record wouldn't look near as bad as everyone tries to make it out to be.
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    Re: Republicans plan sweeping rules changes in new Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Are you aware of how many people are Congresss? Of the 535 Congressmen who went into the 2010 elections, only 69 did not return. So 466 are still present, thats a 87% return right.

    So yes, same old people is pretty accurate.

    Now, as you were saying?
    There are like 87 new people coming in Jan. including new dems.
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    Re: Republicans plan sweeping rules changes in new Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Are you aware of how many people are Congresss? Of the 535 Congressmen who went into the 2010 elections, only 69 did not return. So 466 are still present, thats a 87% return right.

    So yes, same old people is pretty accurate.

    Now, as you were saying?
    Along with the 87 I should have mentioned that some of the old Congress is very much worth keeping. No need to throw the baby out with the bath water. You can poo poo on the new congress all you want. I'm willing to give them the second chance they asked for.
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    Re: Republicans plan sweeping rules changes in new Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Hopefully, you've told your congressmen. I don't like #8, by the way. It would be too easy for a special interest group to behind-the-scenes finance such a move.
    The average size of a congressional district from the 2000 census was about 650k people. 1,000,000 is way too many signatures since it would require people outside the district to have a say.

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    Re: Republicans plan sweeping rules changes in new Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The logical way is to pay it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    How are you going to do that?
    Here is a start

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...post1059175355

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    Re: Republicans plan sweeping rules changes in new Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by snilloctjc View Post
    That may hurt people who can least afford it. You need to do something across the board that hits everyone with something they can live with.
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    Re: Republicans plan sweeping rules changes in new Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    That may hurt people who can least afford it. You need to do something across the board that hits everyone with something they can live with.
    I thought the people who could least afford it were parasites living off the right or somesuch nonsense.

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    Re: Republicans plan sweeping rules changes in new Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    That may hurt people who can least afford it. You need to do something across the board that hits everyone with something they can live with.
    That may be true - but what right does anyone have to force me to make what is in essence a charitable donation of my taxes? These are tax credits, we already provide such economic support through the various safety net programs, this is a cash give away. IMHO it goes way beyond the role of government to direct tax dollars from one person's pocket DIRECTLY into another's pocket in the form of cash.

    The National Debt is and was incurred purportedly for the benefit of all. We have to make choices as to how we utilize any "revenue" the government takes into the common coffers. It does not make sense to simply hand it out through tax credits

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    Re: Republicans plan sweeping rules changes in new Congress

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    I think this is an outstanding start to changing how things are done in DC. I look forward to hearing the Democratic ideas for new House rules as well. Maybe they can expand on the start the GOP is trying to make.

    Republicans plan sweeping rules changes in new Congress - On Politics: Covering the US Congress, Governors, and the 2010 Election - USATODAY.com
    With the elections of 2010 I thought that Republicans were finally getting serious about cutting the national debt; but, replacing PAY/GO with CUT/GO loosens the current rules.

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