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Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

Show who is the site authoe

No speaka Ptif, sorry.


All I find is a web hosting company. I believe this is an ethanol company which would not be believable. Did you read my link?

Yes, I did. Your own link agrees with mine - "Over 10% ethanol will cause damage to most conventional engines." E10 does not contain more than 10% ethanol."



"Q: Can I use ethanol in my motorcycle?
A: The use of E10 is approved for use by major motorcycle manufacturers including Harley-Davidson, Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki and Yamaha. Harley-Davidson goes so far as to recommend the use of renewable, clean air fuels such as E10 because of their environmental and performance benefits."
http://mda.mo.gov/weights/fuel/pdf/e10_faq.pdf
 
No speaka Ptif, sorry.




Yes, I did. Your own link agrees with mine - "Over 10% ethanol will cause damage to most conventional engines." E10 does not contain more than 10% ethanol."



"Q: Can I use ethanol in my motorcycle?
A: The use of E10 is approved for use by major motorcycle manufacturers including Harley-Davidson, Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki and Yamaha. Harley-Davidson goes so far as to recommend the use of renewable, clean air fuels such as E10 because of their environmental and performance benefits."
http://mda.mo.gov/weights/fuel/pdf/e10_faq.pdf

Who is the author of your link?

Wrong ethanol will eat parts. It also attracts water causing damage. To say my link said that shows you only read the parts that you wanted.
 
Suit yourself, just don't try to claim you have anything other than opinion to base it on. Did you only read the parts in bold? Only E85 requires a flex fuel vehicle. All modern cars are made to run on E10 with full warrenty and Harley Davidson recommends E10 for their motorcycles.


Motorcycle manufactuers may say that but I will not take that chance.

Is Harley caving to the government? I will not take that chance. If it is safe why is 15% ethanol not approved for motorcycles by the EPA?

More Ethanol in Gas May Damage Motorcycles - Motorcycle USA
 
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Who is the author of your link?

Wrong ethanol will eat parts. It also attracts water causing damage. To say my link said that shows you only read the parts that you wanted.

"A new study out from the Renewable Fuels Association suggests that gasoline containing 15 percent of ethanol (E15)—rather than the current 10 percent standard mix—will not adversely impact fuel systems in older vehicles. The study is not the final word on the issue. That verdict rests in the hands of the Environmental Protection Agency."
E15 and the EPA - Is E15 Ethanol Safe for Cars? - Popular Mechanics

"Are renewable fuels compatible with my car or truck? How about my lawnmower or boat?

Manufacturers expect ethanol blends of up to 10% to be fully compatible with current and previously manufactured gasoline-powered vehicles and engines. However, certain components of older vehicles or engines that are operated in areas where ethanol is new might be affected. As part of a good maintenance program and to alleviate any potential complications, owners are encouraged to monitor their vehicles or engines for hose, seal, or gasket leaks.

Consult your owner’s manual or servicing dealer for any special instructions. Manufacturers might offer specific recommendations for preparing lawnmowers, boats, and other products for storage during the off-season.

Owners of boats with older fiberglass tanks are urged to consult their servicing dealer before using ethanol blends.

Biodiesel’s compatibility with vehicles and engines depends on the amount of biodiesel in the diesel fuel blend as well as the specific vehicle or engine. Most diesel-powered vehicles and engines are compatible with a level of up to 5% biodiesel, while some vehicles and engines are compatible with a higher percentage. Consumers should check their owner’s manual or consult with the manufacturer for fuel recommendations and warranties."
Renewable Fuel Standard Implementation: Frequently Asked Consumer Questions | Fuels & Fuel Additives | Transportation & Air Quality | US EPA
 
"A new study out from the Renewable Fuels Association suggests that gasoline containing 15 percent of ethanol (E15)—rather than the current 10 percent standard mix—will not adversely impact fuel systems in older vehicles. The study is not the final word on the issue. That verdict rests in the hands of the Environmental Protection Agency."
E15 and the EPA - Is E15 Ethanol Safe for Cars? - Popular Mechanics

"Are renewable fuels compatible with my car or truck? How about my lawnmower or boat?

Manufacturers expect ethanol blends of up to 10% to be fully compatible with current and previously manufactured gasoline-powered vehicles and engines. However, certain components of older vehicles or engines that are operated in areas where ethanol is new might be affected. As part of a good maintenance program and to alleviate any potential complications, owners are encouraged to monitor their vehicles or engines for hose, seal, or gasket leaks.

Consult your owner’s manual or servicing dealer for any special instructions. Manufacturers might offer specific recommendations for preparing lawnmowers, boats, and other products for storage during the off-season.

Owners of boats with older fiberglass tanks are urged to consult their servicing dealer before using ethanol blends.

Biodiesel’s compatibility with vehicles and engines depends on the amount of biodiesel in the diesel fuel blend as well as the specific vehicle or engine. Most diesel-powered vehicles and engines are compatible with a level of up to 5% biodiesel, while some vehicles and engines are compatible with a higher percentage. Consumers should check their owner’s manual or consult with the manufacturer for fuel recommendations and warranties."
Renewable Fuel Standard Implementation: Frequently Asked Consumer Questions | Fuels & Fuel Additives | Transportation & Air Quality | US EPA

So people promoting the fuel say it will not hurt
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Yet the sights I show say the oppisite. Even the EPA exempts motorcycles. The EPA says to use it in Vehicles made after 2007

Like I say you use it I will not.
 
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So people promoting the fuel say it will not hurt
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Yet the sights I show say the oppisite.

No, as I quoted above from your site, they said not to use over 10% ethanol. Even the EPA exempts motorcycles. The EPA says to use it in Vehicles made after 2007

Like I say you use it I will not.


No your site said gas with more than 10% ethanol was not good for all cars. EPA says, linked in the same post you didn't read above said, "Manufacturers expect ethanol blends of up to 10% to be fully compatible with current and previously manufactured gasoline-powered vehicles and engines."

Even the maker of your beloved motorcycle approves the use of E10 ethanol:

"Harley Davidson (Owners manual-2009)

GASOLINE BLENDS

Your motorcycle was designed to get the best performance
and efficiency using unleaded gasoline. Most gasoline is
blended with alcohol and/or ether to create oxygenated blends.

The type and amount of alcohol or ether added to the fuel is
important.

Do not use gasoline that contains methanol. Doing so can
result in fuel system component failure, engine damage and/
or equipment malfunction.


Gasoline containing METHYL TERTIARY BUTYL
ETHER (MTBE): Gasoline/MTBE blends are a mixture of
gasoline and as much as 15% MTBE, Gasoline/MTBE blends
can be used in your motorcycle.


ETHANOL is a mixture of 10% ethanol (Grain alcohol)
and 90% unleaded gasoline. Gasoline/ethanol blends can be
used in your motorcycle if the ethanol content does not
exceed 10%
.


REFORMULATED OR OXYGENATED GASOLINE
(RFG): Reformulated gasoline is a term used to describe
gasoline blends that are specifically designed to burn cleaner
than other types of gasoline, leaving fewer tailpipe emissions.
They are also formulated to evaporate less when you are
filling your tank. Reformulated gasolines use additives to
• Kohler (Owners manual-2009)
oxygenate the gas. Your motorcycle will run normally using
General Recommendations
Purchase gasoline in small quantities and store in clean, this type of gas and Harley-Davidson recommends you use it
approved containers. A container with a capacity of 2 gallons when possible, as an aid to cleaner air in our environment.
or less with a pouring spout is recommended. Such a
Do not use race gas or octane boosters. Use of these
container is easier to handle and helps eliminate spillage •
fuels will damage the fuel system.
during refueling.

Do not use gasoline left over from the previous season to Some gasoline blends might adversely affect the starting,
minimize gum deposits in your fuel system and to ensure easy driveability or fuel efficiency of the motorcycle, If any of these
problems are experienced, try a different blend of gasoline or
starting.
gasoline with a higher octane blend.
Do not add oil to the gasoline."

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No your site said gas with more than 10% ethanol was not good for all cars. EPA says, linked in the same post you didn't read above said, "Manufacturers expect ethanol blends of up to 10% to be fully compatible with current and previously manufactured gasoline-powered vehicles and engines."

Even the maker of your beloved motorcycle approves the use of E10 ethanol:

"Harley Davidson (Owners manual-2009)

GASOLINE BLENDS

Your motorcycle was designed to get the best performance
and efficiency using unleaded gasoline. Most gasoline is
blended with alcohol and/or ether to create oxygenated blends.

The type and amount of alcohol or ether added to the fuel is
important.

Do not use gasoline that contains methanol. Doing so can
result in fuel system component failure, engine damage and/
or equipment malfunction.


Gasoline containing METHYL TERTIARY BUTYL
ETHER (MTBE): Gasoline/MTBE blends are a mixture of
gasoline and as much as 15% MTBE, Gasoline/MTBE blends
can be used in your motorcycle.


ETHANOL is a mixture of 10% ethanol (Grain alcohol)
and 90% unleaded gasoline. Gasoline/ethanol blends can be
used in your motorcycle if the ethanol content does not
exceed 10%
.


REFORMULATED OR OXYGENATED GASOLINE
(RFG): Reformulated gasoline is a term used to describe
gasoline blends that are specifically designed to burn cleaner
than other types of gasoline, leaving fewer tailpipe emissions.
They are also formulated to evaporate less when you are
filling your tank. Reformulated gasolines use additives to
• Kohler (Owners manual-2009)
oxygenate the gas. Your motorcycle will run normally using
General Recommendations
Purchase gasoline in small quantities and store in clean, this type of gas and Harley-Davidson recommends you use it
approved containers. A container with a capacity of 2 gallons when possible, as an aid to cleaner air in our environment.
or less with a pouring spout is recommended. Such a
Do not use race gas or octane boosters. Use of these
container is easier to handle and helps eliminate spillage •
fuels will damage the fuel system.
during refueling.

Do not use gasoline left over from the previous season to Some gasoline blends might adversely affect the starting,
minimize gum deposits in your fuel system and to ensure easy driveability or fuel efficiency of the motorcycle, If any of these
problems are experienced, try a different blend of gasoline or
starting.
gasoline with a higher octane blend.
Do not add oil to the gasoline."

Powered by Google Docs

Nice how you ignore the parts that it does harm. Often what the manufacturer and government say are not reality. When it absorbs water we know it is bad for engines. When it eats plastic and rubber we know it is bad for gaskets.

You ignore the fact that the 15% is not recommended for those vehicles. That tells me 10% is also bad

By the way I am leaving soon for South Carolina. My laptop took a dump so I will not be posting for a while
 
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You ignore the fact that the 15% is not recommended for those vehicles. That tells me 10% is also bad

And this post shows why you post what you do. It's really not your fault.
 
How did cars run on octane enriched with lead alcohol for so many years with the sole complaint going to pollution, not engine failure due to the fuel?

lead alcohol?
Engines run much cleaner internally without the lead additives....so they last longer.
 
lead alcohol?
Engines run much cleaner internally without the lead additives....so they last longer.

Older engines without hardened valve seats may have problems with unleaded gas. Getting rid of leaded gas was a good thing. Not only was it toxic it had it's own problems with reducing engine life. Getting over a hundred thousand miles on cars that ran on leaded gas was rare back then compared to now. Plugs had to be changed often due to fouling and contaminants from burning the lead found their way into the crankcase.
 
Older engines without hardened valve seats may have problems with unleaded gas. Getting rid of leaded gas was a good thing. Not only was it toxic it had it's own problems with reducing engine life. Getting over a hundred thousand miles on cars that ran on leaded gas was rare back then compared to now. Plugs had to be changed often due to fouling and contaminants from burning the lead found their way into the crankcase.

I read somewhere that "seasoned" heads (run a long time on leaded gas) could run unleaded, until you pulled the heads and had a valve job done, then you better get the hardened seats.
Before believing this, tho, I would run every 3rd or 4th tank with a lead additive. Most cars built after the early 70's have the hardened seats.
 
lead alcohol?
Engines run much cleaner internally without the lead additives....so they last longer.

Tetraethyllead is similar in chemical structure to that of an alcohol compound. So I simplified :)
 
this is a very large development, the judicial stay of ab32

Judge places California's global warming program on hold | Greenspace | Los Angeles Times

the air resources board is in disgrace, having passed off the fraudulent research of a mr tran who falsely claimed to hold a phd from davis, who represented that his "studies" found some 4000 californians would die per year cuzza diesel exhaust

the board knew about tran's bogus resume and kept his dummy degrees from the public

Researcher's lie could threaten diesel rules - SFGate

fyi
 
today: March consumer sentiment lowest in over a year | Reuters

inflation fears always efface confidence

keep on keepin' on, keynesians

More money for gas means less for TVs:

The largest U.S. consumer electronics chain, which posted its third straight quarter of same-store sales declines on Thursday, also forecast a fall in same-store sales in the current quarter.

The lackluster outlook led many analysts to question if Best Buy's strategy to focus on smartphones and other mobile broadband gadgets will be enough to combat weak demand for TVs, and boost sales over the long term.

Best Buy, seen as a bellwether in consumer electronics, has been hurt by U.S. shoppers showing little interest in newer technologies such as 3-D and Internet-based televisions. The company is concerned about demand going forward too.

"We are fully aware that consumers are still relatively constrained, and some of our major categories are coming off challenging years," CEO Brian Dunn said on a call. "We are still assuming that some of these headwinds will continue."

U.S. consumer sentiment fell to its lowest level in five months in early March as gasoline prices rose, a survey showed.

Best Buy shoppers shun pricey TVs; outlook dim | Reuters

What I want to know is where's the recovery? Wal-Mart just had its seventh straight quarter of declining revenues. Some analysts are blaming it on the company's marketing strategy and product mix. Oh, really? How about just accepting the idea the Wal-Mart's customers are under financial pressure and this "recovery" is only being reflected in juiced financial markets?
 
End oil dependence, go with National Oil run by the Army Engineers, and end exports to Japan, Canada, Mexico, Korea, Netherlands, Chile and Singapore. More than 1.8 million barrels a day of crude oil, gasoline, diesel, jet fuel and other refined products while you pay $4. a gallon. Want to pay $2. a gallon, and use $1. of that towards American health care? National Oil would benefit all Americans and make corporations competitive in global trading.
 
End oil dependence, go with National Oil run by the Army Engineers, and end exports to Japan, Canada, Mexico, Korea, Netherlands, Chile and Singapore. More than 1.8 million barrels a day of crude oil, gasoline, diesel, jet fuel and other refined products while you pay $4. a gallon. Want to pay $2. a gallon, and use $1. of that towards American health care? National Oil would benefit all Americans and make corporations competitive in global trading.

The US has 2% of the world's oil and currently uses 25% of the world's oil. Please explain how the math works out in your proposal.
 
End oil dependence, go with National Oil run by the Army Engineers, and end exports to Japan, Canada, Mexico, Korea, Netherlands, Chile and Singapore. More than 1.8 million barrels a day of crude oil, gasoline, diesel, jet fuel and other refined products while you pay $4. a gallon. Want to pay $2. a gallon, and use $1. of that towards American health care? National Oil would benefit all Americans and make corporations competitive in global trading.

we buy a lot of oil and natural gas from Canada,and a lot of electricity. do we really want to mess with them?
we get a lot of oil from Mexico...and send them natural gas to power their electrical generation, do we want to mess with them?

I see no problems trading with immediate neighbors. It is Arab oil that is the problem....
 
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The US has 2% of the world's oil and currently uses 25% of the world's oil. Please explain how the math works out in your proposal.





Your laughable assumption repeated often by the enemies of prosperity in this nation is this line well indoctrinated by the "Green" Industry. The utter foolishness that we somehow are the 'energy pigs' of the world, and it ties in nicely with those guilt born Americans that often are either in supposed institutions of so called "higher learning" or recently graduated, where their heads of mush are filled with these far left notions of American ignobleness, and how greedy we are. Wake up man! As the Matrix pointed out, take the red pill!

In Bakkan alone it is estimated that if we were allowed to explore, on land already owned by the oil companies, but not allowed to gain permits to drill by Obama, we would have centuries of oil from that formation alone.

The greatest Bakken oil production comes from Elm Coulee Oil Field, Richland County, Montana, where production began in 2000 and is expected to ultimately total 270 million barrels. In 2007, production from Elm Coulee averaged 53,000 barrels per day (8,400 m3/d) — more than the entire state of Montana a few years earlier.[18]
New interest developed in 2007 when EOG Resources out of Houston, Texas reported that a single well it had drilled into an oil-rich layer of shale below Parshall, North Dakota was anticipated to produce 700,000 barrels (111,000 m3) of oil.[19] This, combined with other factors, including an oil-drilling tax break enacted by the state of North Dakota in 2007,[20] shifted attention in the Bakken from Montana to the North Dakota side.[citation needed] The number of wells drilled in the North Dakota Bakken jumped from 300 in 2006[21] to 457 in 2007.[22] Those same sources show oil production in the North Dakota Bakken increasing 229%, from 2.2 million barrels (350,000 m3) in 2006 to 7.4 million barrels (1,180,000 m3) in 2007.

Bakken formation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Obama is gong after, and putting out of business oil companies without any other energy source at all yet developed to take its place. it is irresponsible, and foolish.


j-mac
 
we buy a lot of oil and natural gas from Canada,and a lot of electricity. do we really want to mess with them?
we get a lot of oil from Mexico...and send them natural gas to power their electrical generation, do we want to mess with them?

I see no problems trading with immediate neighbors. It is Arab oil that is the problem....

Trading with Arabs would not be a problem either if the Arabs bought US products to balance the trade. The trade deficit is what's draining this country. US corporations moving our jobs overseas is making it worse.
 



Your laughable assumption repeated often by the enemies of prosperity in this nation is this line well indoctrinated by the "Green" Industry. The utter foolishness that we somehow are the 'energy pigs' of the world, and it ties in nicely with those guilt born Americans that often are either in supposed institutions of so called "higher learning" or recently graduated, where their heads of mush are filled with these far left notions of American ignobleness, and how greedy we are. Wake up man! As the Matrix pointed out, take the red pill!

In Bakkan alone it is estimated that if we were allowed to explore, on land already owned by the oil companies, but not allowed to gain permits to drill by Obama, we would have centuries of oil from that formation alone.



Obama is gong after, and putting out of business oil companies without any other energy source at all yet developed to take its place. it is irresponsible, and foolish.


j-mac


The highest estimate of recoverable reserves in the Bakken is 24 billion barrels. Since we use 7 billion barrels a year how does that give us centuries of oil?
You right wing extremists, living in a world of faith, devoid of all reality are the re reason we are in this energy mess.
 
Trading with Arabs would not be a problem either if the Arabs bought US products to balance the trade. The trade deficit is what's draining this country. US corporations moving our jobs overseas is making it worse.

we could always sell them weapons, I suppose.
Balance of trade is not the important issue.
A lot of the money we spend buying their oil ends up supporting terrorism.
 
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