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Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

Catawba said:
They can't be built without loan guarantees from the government because private sector lenders think they are too risky. From the same article:

"Free-market groups complained that the loan guarantees could leave taxpayers on the hook for projects too risky for the private sector to finance."

If the private sector lenders were correct in their risk assessment, we are out $8 billion dollars. Which administration has ever committed more funding for Nuclear Power?
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The truth of the matter is that nuclear plants have been built without loan guarentees. The problem is getting the government to allow them to use them once built.
 
UtahBill said:
Expedited permits? other liberals would file suit immediately.....
yes, we should have been building new nukes all along, but we didn't. Who takes the blame for that? or credit, based on your viewpoint.
We wouldn't need a substantial percentage of the power plants we have now if we all decided to conserve electricity.
Where is the expedited effort there?
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I blame each sucessive administration for the last 30 years for not putting a viable energy plan together. If you think that conservation ( while helpful) can be a key to fixing this problem you lack an understanding of how big the problem is.
 
washunut said:
The truth of the matter is that nuclear plants have been built without loan guarentees. The problem is getting the government to allow them to use them once built.
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Who has has said they will loan the money for the new nuclear power plants without federal loan guarantees? You may have just found a way to save taxpayers $8 billion dollars.
 
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Catawba said:
I am not a fan of ethanol either, I would prefer to pay the extra price it would cost without. You convince everyone a price increase is necessary to avoid ethanol, and I'm with you! LOL!
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Wrong if there was no ethanol they would not inflate the price
 
j-mac said:
Blame the EPA, and the whacko environmentalists like Martin Sheen that would chain themselves to the gates with a cross claiming some moral high ground. Now when we need to rely more on that tech we find ourselves behind the rest of the world when it comes to nuke tech for power.....Good job!
Ah the famous Jimmah Carter 'wear an extry sweater' speech. You know he was a laughing stock then when he said it, and now it just makes you look foolish. Everything from our Auto's to our homes have become so energy efficient to the point of climate controlled buildings making some sick because they won't let germs out. This country has enough resource to be energy independent for hundreds of years, and with the money saved we could invest in alternate energy supplies for the future. Rather than the back ass way liberals want to pursue it which is drive cost up, starve the people until we have no choice but to start over as we sit in the dark.... Get with the program man, I know you are a smart guy, but damn, you can't be this duped.


j-mac
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I am far more educated in the aspects of energy production, and use, than most....been at it since the 70's. And I voted for Carter, the only democrat I ever voted for. He was a poor president in many ways, but his proposed energy plan was the right thing to do then, and it is the right thing to do now.
The average age of cars on the road is about 10 years old.....and nearly all of them are fairly efficient, as you say. But even if they get excellent mileage and barely pollute, driving them for no good reason is wasteful.
The average age of BUILDINGS, however, is harder to determine, but a good guess is 50 years old, or older, and damn few of them were designed, oriented, or built properly with respect to minimizing energy use. I googled all my old addresses, from about 1950 on, and looked at the satellite view. They are all still there, wasting energy, polluting our air and water.
Properly designed building don't make people sick. The key words are insulation, infiltration, insolation, orientation, and fenestration.
Make your house air tight first, then add a Heat Recovery Ventilator, aka air to air heat exchanger to get fresh air into the house.
People living in Canada know all about this, and Americans in the northern states should, but don't. I had to explain it to the city building inspector in Utah just 3 years ago. My HVAC contractor had seen one once, but wasn't curious enough to look into it.
Houses just up the hill from me have multiple air conditioners, 2 and sometimes 3. My house has 1, a small one, undersized according to the HVAC contractor, but it does the job the few months it is needed.
As for alternate energy sources, what do you think they are?

Name a viable alternative for oil, if you can. Then name alternatives for coal or nuclear....
I will correct you gently, young padowan...
 
washunut said:
I blame each sucessive administration for the last 30 years for not putting a viable energy plan together. If you think that conservation ( while helpful) can be a key to fixing this problem you lack an understanding of how big the problem is.
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Maybe you don't know how much is being wasted? Conservation should be a part of any energy plan.
 
ptif219 said:
I paid $4.39 thursday. You pay more for things that do no harm to your engine
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How long have we been using ethanol without damage to engines?
 
USA_1 said:
How long have we been using ethanol without damage to engines?
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I know lots of people that have had to rebuild engines. Lawn mower, boat motors, motorcycles.and cars
 
ptif219 said:
I know lots of people that have had to rebuild engines. Lawn mower, boat motors, motorcycles.and cars
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I know lots of people who did not have to rebuild engines. :shrug:
 
While I am not a fan of corn based ethanol, I did learn some things in this fact sheet about ethanol:


"Why Ethanol / E85?

Because it is environmentally friendly.
Can an environmentally friendly fuel deliver real performance for your car? You bet.
Gasoline enriched with ethanol performs in much the same way that regular gasoline does. It’s been in use for decades, with trillions of miles logged on vehicles all over the world. Plus ethanol-enriched gasoline actually surpasses regular gasoline in key performance categories!

Gasoline enriched with ethanol contains more oxygen — so it burns cleaner, leaving fewer deposits and keeping fuel injectors and intake valves cleaner.
The facts are powerful.

* Ethanol-enriched fuel can reduce pre-ignition problems (knocking/pinging).
* Tests have concluded that ethanol does not increase corrosion, nor will it harm any seals or valves.
* Ethanol-enriched gasoline meets all applicable vapor-pressure standards — to alleviate driving or starting problems in hot or cold weather.
* Ethanol-enriched gasoline can tolerate water contamination to a far greater degree than gasoline alone — it absorbs moisture and helps prevent gasoline freeze-up in cold weather.
* Today’s cars are built to run on fuel enriched with up to 10% ethanol and are warranted for its use.
. Which type of ethanol is right for your car?

There are two types of ethanol-enriched fuels commonly available in the United States:
* E10 (10% ethanol, 90% gasoline) and
* E85 (85% ethanol, 15% gasoline)


E10 is the most commonly available ethanol-containing fuel in the United States and can be used safely in all of today’s cars. All auto manufacturers approve ethanol’s use, many even recommend it. So do your part by filling up with fuel enriched with 10 percent ethanol today.

E85 is for use only in flexible fuel vehicles (FFVs) that are specially designed for it. Many of these vehicles carry an exterior badge identifying them as E85 compatible. More and more of today’s cars, trucks and SUVs are designated as FFVs. Is yours one of them?

Visit the National Ethanol Vehicle Coalition at Ethanol Retailers to see if E85 is a good alternative for the car you drive.
Fuel enriched with ethanol can be used in other engines, too.

Most motorcycle, recreational vehicle and power equipment manufacturers allow the use of ethanol-enriched gasoline in their products without restriction. In fact, Harley-Davidson actually recommends the use of renewable, clean-air fuels such as ethanol-enriched gasoline. You should check your equipment’s owner’s manual for more information regarding the use of ethanol-enriched gasoline. E-85 (a blend of 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline) is available for use in flexible-fuel vehicles (FFVs). This type of ethanol fuel has the highest oxygen content of any fuel available, making it burn more cleanly and more completely than any other fuel. Currently, it has a limited distribution — but is often 20 cents cheaper than regular gasoline.

Those are reasons enough to check to see if your car, truck or SUV can run on E-85! Just look in your owner’s manual or your vehicle’s gas cap to see if you can fill up with this special ethanol fuel alternative.

At present, extending the volume of conventional gasoline is a significant end use for ethanol, as is its use as an oxygenate. To succeed in these markets, the cost of ethanol must be close to the wholesale price of gasoline, currently made possible by the Federal ethanol subsidy; however, the subsidy is due to expire in 2007, and although the incentive has been extended in the past, in order for ethanol to compete on its own merits the cost of producing it must be reduced substantially"

E85 | Why should I use E85?
 
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ptif219 said:
I know lots of people that have had to rebuild engines. Lawn mower, boat motors, motorcycles.and cars
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I don't. Can you prove the problem was caused by ethanol? Of course not. Did they put oil in them?
 
Catawba said:
Yep...........that's what I thought.
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I just went and filled the Harley it came down 10 cents only $4.29 now.

You see I will pay more now to prevent having to pay more later
 
Catawba said:
While I am not a fan of corn based ethanol, I did learn some things in this fact sheet about ethanol:


"Why Ethanol / E85?

Because it is environmentally friendly.
Can an environmentally friendly fuel deliver real performance for your car? You bet.
Gasoline enriched with ethanol performs in much the same way that regular gasoline does. It’s been in use for decades, with trillions of miles logged on vehicles all over the world. Plus ethanol-enriched gasoline actually surpasses regular gasoline in key performance categories!

Gasoline enriched with ethanol contains more oxygen — so it burns cleaner, leaving fewer deposits and keeping fuel injectors and intake valves cleaner.
The facts are powerful.

* Ethanol-enriched fuel can reduce pre-ignition problems (knocking/pinging).
* Tests have concluded that ethanol does not increase corrosion, nor will it harm any seals or valves.
* Ethanol-enriched gasoline meets all applicable vapor-pressure standards — to alleviate driving or starting problems in hot or cold weather.
* Ethanol-enriched gasoline can tolerate water contamination to a far greater degree than gasoline alone — it absorbs moisture and helps prevent gasoline freeze-up in cold weather.
* Today’s cars are built to run on fuel enriched with up to 10% ethanol and are warranted for its use.
. Which type of ethanol is right for your car?

There are two types of ethanol-enriched fuels commonly available in the United States:
* E10 (10% ethanol, 90% gasoline) and
* E85 (85% ethanol, 15% gasoline)


E10 is the most commonly available ethanol-containing fuel in the United States and can be used safely in all of today’s cars. All auto manufacturers approve ethanol’s use, many even recommend it. So do your part by filling up with fuel enriched with 10 percent ethanol today.

E85 is for use only in flexible fuel vehicles (FFVs) that are specially designed for it. Many of these vehicles carry an exterior badge identifying them as E85 compatible. More and more of today’s cars, trucks and SUVs are designated as FFVs. Is yours one of them?

Visit the National Ethanol Vehicle Coalition at Ethanol Retailers to see if E85 is a good alternative for the car you drive.
Fuel enriched with ethanol can be used in other engines, too.

Most motorcycle, recreational vehicle and power equipment manufacturers allow the use of ethanol-enriched gasoline in their products without restriction. In fact, Harley-Davidson actually recommends the use of renewable, clean-air fuels such as ethanol-enriched gasoline. You should check your equipment’s owner’s manual for more information regarding the use of ethanol-enriched gasoline. E-85 (a blend of 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline) is available for use in flexible-fuel vehicles (FFVs). This type of ethanol fuel has the highest oxygen content of any fuel available, making it burn more cleanly and more completely than any other fuel. Currently, it has a limited distribution — but is often 20 cents cheaper than regular gasoline.

Those are reasons enough to check to see if your car, truck or SUV can run on E-85! Just look in your owner’s manual or your vehicle’s gas cap to see if you can fill up with this special ethanol fuel alternative.

At present, extending the volume of conventional gasoline is a significant end use for ethanol, as is its use as an oxygenate. To succeed in these markets, the cost of ethanol must be close to the wholesale price of gasoline, currently made possible by the Federal ethanol subsidy; however, the subsidy is due to expire in 2007, and although the incentive has been extended in the past, in order for ethanol to compete on its own merits the cost of producing it must be reduced substantially"

E85 | Why should I use E85?
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Nice try but I will not take that chance. I will burn ethanol free. I do not own a flex engine. Harley did not tell me my engine is a flex engine. They claim I can burn ethanol. If you burn ethanol you lose MPG
 
USA_1 said:
I don't. Can you prove the problem was caused by ethanol? Of course not. Did they put oil in them?
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Nic spin from somebody who must not know what ethanol does to an engine. I am gone 3 weeks at a time. Ethanol absorbs water. It also will seperate from gas in time
 
ptif219 said:
Nice try but I will not take that chance. I will burn ethanol free. I do not own a flex engine. Harley did not tell me my engine is a flex engine. They claim I can burn ethanol. If you burn ethanol you lose MPG
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Suit yourself, just don't try to claim you have anything other than opinion to base it on. Did you only read the parts in bold? Only E85 requires a flex fuel vehicle. All modern cars are made to run on E10 with full warrenty and Harley Davidson recommends E10 for their motorcycles.
 
Catawba said:
Suit yourself, just don't try to claim you have anything other than opinion to base it on. Did you only read the parts in bold? Only E85 requires a flex fuel vehicle. All modern cars are made to run on E10 with full warrenty and Harley Davidson recommends E10 for their motorcycles.
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Show who is the site author. All I find is a web hosting company. I believe this is an ethanol company which would not be believable. Did you read my link?
 
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10% ethanol can be used in old cars, with carburetors, but it isn't a good idea to use E85....there WILL be problems.
 
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