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Yes, I do, where did I say different?

I have not claimed you said any different - I said that to gain your agreement which you've given. You apparently threw in because you don't like my world view and outlook - then took cheap shots youself about conservatives not wanting to conserve, which was exactly what I WAS doing ... yet you thought of how did you put it, "buzz words" which make me sound like Glen Beck? :lamo

If you don't have a problem with my last statement and you agree... what's your problem then?
 
Nonsense. When I started driving truck some 20 years ago, I worked for Schwans home delivery. Crappy job, but their trucks even back then were powered by propane. We filled them ourselves, and I saw really very little difference between them and diesel trucks.


j-mac

Not nonsense, your bias is coming thru, and you still owe me an apology.

Are you really going to let your grandmother fill her own natural gas tank?

Professional drivers can be trained, make it a part of their CDL....
 
I have not claimed you said any different - I said that to gain your agreement which you've given. You apparently threw in because you don't like my world view and outlook - then took cheap shots youself about conservatives not wanting to conserve, which was exactly what I WAS doing ... yet you thought of how did you put it, "buzz words" which make me sound like Glen Beck? :lamo

If you don't have a problem with my last statement and you agree... what's your problem then?

You over reacted to my suggestion in post 311 that by dropping the labeling you might have more credibility....or words to that effect. If you want to, go back and look it up. So, what is YOUR problem? Can't take advice?:2razz:
 
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By passing a revision to the CAFE standards as soon as we put them in control of Congress:

" The most recent revision of CAFE that passed in 2007 no longer exempts light trucks classified as SUVs or passenger vans, unless they exceed 10,000 lb (4,500 kg) GVWR; it applies to pickup trucks and cargo vans up to 8,500 lb (3,900 kg)."
Corporate Average Fuel Economy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I see make us use ethanol that lowers MPG and then expect the auto industry to still find ways to increase mileage. Shows how stupid these GW environmentalists are
 
It should be obvious to the most casual observer that I meant for the owners of said accounts to withdraw their money at preferred rates. I don't see how any reasonable person can read it any other way....
an apology is requested....


Ok, I did misread slightly, sorry. But why would people withdraw their money that they are saving for retirement for this?


j-mac
 
When you consider that people are still buying SUV's I am not surprised. It is much like the frog in boiling water, some people need a smack in the face before they realize what trouble is headed their way. I think hybrids are around 3%. I did not get a hybrid, I opted for a 4-cyl turbo (I wanted the speed but not all the time).

Anyway, I don't know about you, but while I'd take a hybrid car, I'd love to have an electric one. Far less moving parts, lighter, cleaner, faster, etc. Sounds great to me. Oh and cheaper!

I will stick with my GMC Sierra with headers and a computer chip and my Harley. By the way I use ethanol free gas for better mileage and performance

The Volt is doing so well. Electric cars and winter may be a problem


Consumer Reports: GM's Volt 'doesn't really make a lot of sense' | detnews.com | The Detroit News
 
We are on our second hybrid car. We bought the first hybrid in this country, the Honda Insight. We loved that car, it was sporty, it would fly, and it got 70 MPG! Then grandchildren happened and we needed a 4-seater so we got a Prius. Not near as cool and sporty looking but the power is good and it gets 50 MPG.

Have you checked out the Tesla, Model S. I can't even think about their roadster model (because of the cost and our need for a 4-seater), but someday maybe the model S.

Model S | Tesla Motors

So you are one of those idiots that pulls out in front of my big truck and expects me to slow 70,000+ LBS so you cand accelerate slowly to get better gas mileage. I hate hybrids and the way the idiots that own them care nothing about highway safety

Prius drivers are the worst
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Discuss the topic and drop your political posturing, it clutters my screen, and yours.....got it?
Must be an echo in here

Are you trying to sound arrogant, on purpose, or is it just a character flaw?
I'm trying to guide a lost individual who's butt hurt about being called out. Let me know when your done your nonsense and want to disucss the topic.
 
You over reacted to my suggestion in post 311 that by dropping the labeling you might have more credibility....or words to that effect.
Irrelevant to the topic.

If you want to, go back and look it up. So, what is YOUR problem? Can't take advice?:2razz:
Also irrelevant, and boring. Wake me when your done..
 
Ok, I did misread slightly, sorry. But why would people withdraw their money that they are saving for retirement for this?


j-mac
Not those people who are still saving, but retirees. There are lots of them with good retirement incomes and substantial savings as well. But even those who are nearing retirement could benefit. My wife's IRA, almost $200K, is in a fixed account, earning a whopping 1%.....that money would be better spent making our AZ home more energy efficient, or buying a new home that is wheelchair compatible. I am not there now, but will be. Parkinson's has no cure.
My IRA funds are almost gone, used to build a house in Utah. We have about $120K in retirement income, the bulk of which is periodically adjusted for cost of living. We are well protected in our medical care needs. We don't NEED so much savings. There are a lot of people in that category. Like I said, trillions....
 
True, but an electric roller skate that will only go 40 miles on a charge is not suitable for the majority of drivers. Too little range and too little cargo/passenger space.

Buy a Harley like mine. 35-40 MPG
 
So you are one of those idiots that pulls out in front of my big truck and expects me to slow 70,000+ LBS so you cand accelerate slowly to get better gas mileage. I hate hybrids and the way the idiots that own them care nothing about highway safety

Prius drivers are the worst
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Hybrids are a good idea - though I personally haven't seen a different in Prius drivers --- their smug attitude though, yes. Hybrids are a good marketing tool to sell more cars - so I have no issue with that at all. The idea however that investment of government money (ie., tax dollars) at this time for some ideological wet dream is insanity. But then again, if there's any group in the U.S. that will take the lead in moving to alternative fuels it's the private sector with help of the market. It will be a challenge though with oil still in good supply...
 
So raise taxes. End the Bush tax cuts, close corporate loopholes. Then, cut reckless spending (maybe check out some of that defense spending) and streamline government. We could also switch over to universal health care, which if you compare our privatized system to others, we'd save about 2,500 a person - but that's neither here nor there.

Look, you are comparing a financial issue to an energy issue. They are not the same, and considering the conservative tactic for any emergency is to cut taxes, I don't see how we can every find our way to energy independence or budget surplus.

What change do you people like? You just want to live in a John Wayne movie, smoke cigars, and shoot indians?

We all buy electric cars then we will have to burn more coal to produce the electric for the cars.

I want to see the electric motor and batteries that will pull 80,000 LBS in a big truck
 
Not nonsense, your bias is coming thru, and you still owe me an apology.

Are you really going to let your grandmother fill her own natural gas tank?

Professional drivers can be trained, make it a part of their CDL....

Sure CDL drivers don't have anything on their plate give them more. The new trucks now need exhaust fluid for clean idle
 
Sure CDL drivers don't have anything on their plate give them more. The new trucks now need exhaust fluid for clean idle

What if trucking company's were urged to convert over their diesel trucks to run on propane/natural gas? Wouldn't that help cut costs in the longer term?
 
Hybrids are a good idea - though I personally haven't seen a different in Prius drivers --- their smug attitude though, yes. Hybrids are a good marketing tool to sell more cars - so I have no issue with that at all. The idea however that investment of government money (ie., tax dollars) at this time for some ideological wet dream is insanity. But then again, if there's any group in the U.S. that will take the lead in moving to alternative fuels it's the private sector with help of the market. It will be a challenge though with oil still in good supply...

The problem with hybrids and I notice this more with prius drivers is they pullout in front of me and accelerate slowly they want every tenth of fuel mileage possible. Causing an accident or causing road rage does not matter
 
What if trucking company's were urged to convert over their diesel trucks to run on propane/natural gas? Wouldn't that help cut costs in the longer term?

Probably not because then they would raise prices because of the demand of a million trucks doing 3000 miles a week
 
I see make us use ethanol that lowers MPG and then expect the auto industry to still find ways to increase mileage. Shows how stupid these GW environmentalists are

Do you mean the increased ethanol in gas requirement passed by the Republican controlled Congress and signed into law by President Bush?

"The Energy Policy Act of 2005 (Pub.L. 109-58) is a bill passed by the United States Congress on July 29, 2005, and signed into law by President George W. Bush on August 8, 2005, at Sandia National Laboratories in Albuquerque, New Mexico."

"the Act increases the amount of biofuel (usually ethanol) that must be mixed with gasoline sold in the United States to 4 billion gallons by 2006, 6.1 billion gallons by 2009 and 7.5 billion gallons by 2012"

Energy Policy Act of 2005 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Most people think Reagan was a moron too. So what's your point?

I have no problem with calling Reagan's economic policies voodoo economics. I guess my point is that blindly following a policy because someone from "their side" espoused it is silly. Too many on this site are blinded by party loyalty to make an credible arguements.
 
Do you mean the increased ethanol in gas requirement passed by the Republican controlled Congress and signed into law by President Bush?

"The Energy Policy Act of 2005 (Pub.L. 109-58) is a bill passed by the United States Congress on July 29, 2005, and signed into law by President George W. Bush on August 8, 2005, at Sandia National Laboratories in Albuquerque, New Mexico."

"the Act increases the amount of biofuel (usually ethanol) that must be mixed with gasoline sold in the United States to 4 billion gallons by 2006, 6.1 billion gallons by 2009 and 7.5 billion gallons by 2012"

Energy Policy Act of 2005 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Good example of what I was saying. Who cares if it was a republican or democrat who passed lousy legislation. And to say that your politician is a bigger knucklehead than mine seems childish.
 
Yes yes... let's just use how expensive alternative fuels are to buy into the Progressive socialist change over of the country! :lamo

I suppose you can't address those facts? I am sorry that I prove time and time again that socialized medicine works out to be cheaper.

They're tightly combined - energy and economics... let's take it in steps shall we? How about we first set a goal to cut discretionary spending, and balance the budget before we jump ahead and start trying for a budget surplus. The progressive liberal in the White House just spent 4 trillion dollars in 2 years on bail outs. I think we need a breather, given the return on jobs, investment, housing, and now inflation starting to kick in... the improvements in our lives aren't quite what was expected.

We cut non military discretionary spending every time we need cuts. There isn't much room left. In fact, non military discretionary spending is easily the most streamlined budgetary item. If more cuts can be made without affecting the integrity of our most important programs, then fine, cut them. However, there is certainly some pork available in defense spending as well.

Then, of course, we can raise taxes back up to their already low rate before Bush took office, and gain even more money. We can slowly bring our troops home from over seas, and we can use that money to invest in our own infrastructure! That's sounds great to me.


Actually, I'd like change to be stop spending like drunken socialists on a bender, I'd like fiscal responsibility, I'd like government waste to be culled, earmarks erradicated, healthcare left to the states, the Fed shrunken, the FCC, EPA, Dept. of Ed, and a whole other host of nonsense like it removed from government and those buildings either bull dozed or rented to the private sector. And let's not kid ourselves, there aren't enough indians to shoot and we've shot them enough... but open day on progressive liberals sounds much more fun.

Man oh man. I wish I could live in another country as you and just let you do all that. I wish. Then you could get screwed over by every business since all your government regulations just went out the window, you can forget about clean drinking water, lower pollution levels, progressive energy policy, and equal public schools.

I wish I could give that to you, but unfortunately, most people in this country don't agree with you. Most of us like our roads, we like our clean drinking water, we like our regulations that prevent unethical business practices, we like our education, and some of us would even like health care added onto that package.

Maybe you can move to Texas and secede. I think you'd have the best chance there.
 
We all buy electric cars then we will have to burn more coal to produce the electric for the cars.

I want to see the electric motor and batteries that will pull 80,000 LBS in a big truck

Because technically it will still be cheaper. Electricity is currently cheaper than oil. Also, that is why I was discussing moving our energy production more efficient and renewable as well.

I don't see where anyone said trucks would become electric.
 
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