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Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

There aren't any permits being issued. Sounds like a ban to me. Not to mention Obama inacted moratoriums in the eastern GOM and the East Coast. There's also a moratorium in ANWAR.



So...the price of oil is going up in the middle of a depression. That's what.

We should be expanding, not only to keep gas prices down, but to create jobs.

Here is another back door to stop drilling

Wilderness rules restored for public lands - Yahoo! News
 
I thought the stimulus was to fix the roads?

Don't know what VBN is. Just got the bike in October it is a 2011

Gas tax is supposed to be for maintaining roads, stimulus would likely be a temporary application of funds.
 
Gas tax is supposed to be for maintaining roads, stimulus would likely be a temporary application of funds.

Is that what it's being called, now? :rofl

I recall someone saying a few months ago that it's, "long term investment in infrastructure".

So far, it's been nothing but an investment in 30 years worth of Libbo wet dreams.
 
Earlier in the thread Bill, and Dana were speaking of other tech out there that may or may not have promise in energy for the future. My question though is not in how many different schemes for producing energy there are, viable, or not, but rather in what can be done now. See, I truly am a believer in research everything, but right now we are a fossil fueled world, and choking off those fuels, and telling us that we are tearing up the world for going after them, while at the same time turning the other way while other countries drill our resource seems almost planned to work against this country.


j-mac
 
Earlier in the thread Bill, and Dana were speaking of other tech out there that may or may not have promise in energy for the future. My question though is not in how many different schemes for producing energy there are, viable, or not, but rather in what can be done now. See, I truly am a believer in research everything, but right now we are a fossil fueled world, and choking off those fuels, and telling us that we are tearing up the world for going after them, while at the same time turning the other way while other countries drill our resource seems almost planned to work against this country.


j-mac

People have been saying what you are saying for a long time. Eventually the world is going to have bite the bullet.
 
Earlier in the thread Bill, and Dana were speaking of other tech out there that may or may not have promise in energy for the future. My question though is not in how many different schemes for producing energy there are, viable, or not, but rather in what can be done now. See, I truly am a believer in research everything, but right now we are a fossil fueled world, and choking off those fuels, and telling us that we are tearing up the world for going after them, while at the same time turning the other way while other countries drill our resource seems almost planned to work against this country.


j-mac

Reporters are usually nothing more than repeaters....they don't understand the technology they are reporting on...they repeat pure fiction some times without knowing it. Politicians know even less....
I have been reading and thinking on energy issues for 35 years, and I hear or read a lot of stupidity on the one hand, and blatant lies from charlatans on the other.
Magazine articles were plentiful, but short on facts concerning the down side of anything new, and there is always a down side.
Back in the 60's the writers in Popular Science and Popular mechanics were telling us that nuclear powered electrical generation would be so cheap, it wouldn't even be metered. Anybody here getting power without a meter?
The reason we use gasoline and diesel for transportation is because it is the easiest to obtain, safest to use, highly portable, and has a very high power density. We built a distribution system geared to liquid fuels, and now we are dependent on it. There is NOTHING on the near horizon to replace it, not without a lot of changes, a lot of work, a lot of money....
I won't spend the time here and now explaining it all, but if you have comments or doubts or questions, fire away....
 
Reporters are usually nothing more than repeaters....they don't understand the technology they are reporting on...they repeat pure fiction some times without knowing it. Politicians know even less....


I have no doubt you are right about this.


I have been reading and thinking on energy issues for 35 years, and I hear or read a lot of stupidity on the one hand, and blatant lies from charlatans on the other.
Magazine articles were plentiful, but short on facts concerning the down side of anything new, and there is always a down side.


Ok, so considering this, why would we be moving at what seems to be light speed to decouple ourselves from current sources of energy, when others are not proven, or even understood sufficiently?

Back in the 60's the writers in Popular Science and Popular mechanics were telling us that nuclear powered electrical generation would be so cheap, it wouldn't even be metered. Anybody here getting power without a meter?

And how much of the country is currently using nuclear energy? We are seriously behind in this area if you ask me.

The reason we use gasoline and diesel for transportation is because it is the easiest to obtain, safest to use, highly portable, and has a very high power density. We built a distribution system geared to liquid fuels, and now we are dependent on it.

And so how exactly does it make sense to restrict our own supplies, while allowing others to extract them, while we buy from overseas, including our enemies in the world?


There is NOTHING on the near horizon to replace it, not without a lot of changes, a lot of work, a lot of money....


Changes America would deal with if it were viable, Work is no problem, we are Americans, Money we don't have.

I won't spend the time here and now explaining it all, but if you have comments or doubts or questions, fire away....


I may not understand highly technical issues without you dumbing them down a little, but I am genuinely interested and from what I see being presented now, it is almost like we are being told to get off of fossil fuels, with nothing else in the wings to switch to.


j-mac
 
I have no doubt you are right about this



Ok, so considering this, why would we be moving at what seems to be light speed to decouple ourselves from current sources of energy, when others are not proven, or even understood sufficiently?
.It just seems we are decoupling, we are not, at least not at any speed....gasoline powered cars will still be here when you and I are dead...






And how much of the country is currently using nuclear energy? We are seriously behind in this area if you ask me.
Read up on Architecture 2030,,,,its goals are to lessen the energy needs of buildings by 50 percent, thus lessening the needs for new power plants, which should all be nuclear, of course. Even Obama is in favor of Nuclear, thanks to him picking an engineer for DOE head...


And so how exactly does it make sense to restrict our own supplies, while allowing others to extract them, while we buy from overseas, including our enemies in the world?

So when they run out, we can sell them ours, at very high prices, that is my guess. Much of ours isn't as easy to get at, compared to Saudi Arabie, for example, plus their crude is sweet, ..google sweet crude for more info...

Changes America would deal with if it were viable, Work is no problem, we are Americans, Money we don't have.




I may not understand highly technical issues without you dumbing them down a little, but I am genuinely interested and from what I see being presented now, it is almost like we are being told to get off of fossil fuels, with nothing else in the wings to switch to.

Well, we can't switch, not yet...but if the federal and state govts were smart, they would lower the speed limits by 10mph on all hiways, freeways, but not in town, and let that be a signal to the OPEC countries...that we won't let them control our economy.
j-mac

Carter wasn't all bad, at least he had an energy policy. He was an engineer, and understood energy far better than any president since...
 
Supposed to be? who is stealing it for other things?

You are reading in to my statement more than is intennded to be there.....
However, there are 50 states collecting gas taxes, as well as the federal govt, and govt is full of crooks, in both parties, so anything is possible....
 
It appears that taxes collected at the pump have long been insufficient for the actual expenses required to maintain roads. Looks like those taxes need to go up, a lot.
There are no alternatives, pay up or get a bike...
 
It appears that taxes collected at the pump have long been insufficient for the actual expenses required to maintain roads.


That IMHO, is because they use the money collected from the existing taxation for other things like making their own deficits look smaller....


Looks like those taxes need to go up, a lot.


No, and that shouldn't be the first answer, to dig deeper into my pocket...That's my money, not theirs.

There are no alternatives, pay up or get a bike...

Well, there is a third option, use our money wiser.


j-mac
 
That IMHO, is because they use the money collected from the existing taxation for other things like making their own deficits look smaller....





No, and that shouldn't be the first answer, to dig deeper into my pocket...That's my money, not theirs.



Well, there is a third option, use our money wiser.


j-mac

So if we can't use your money to fix the roads, will you stay off OUR roads?
 
Republicans are going to cut Highway Transportation Funding for the states. This has been off the table before. So if states want to maintain their roads they are going to have to find the funds somewhere else.
 
So if we can't use your money to fix the roads, will you stay off OUR roads?

No, that isn't what I said. But the shell games from both sides should cease. As for me staying off the roads, hell no, I won't stay off them. They were constructed for me. Don't forget that.


j-mac
 
if the govt raises fuel taxes, you will pay it, if you want to use your car...
 
Republicans are going to cut Highway Transportation Funding for the states. This has been off the table before. So if states want to maintain their roads they are going to have to find the funds somewhere else.

state tax, fed tax, who cares? as long as we all pay, we all ride...
 
Only the PURSUIT of happiness is a right.....:2razz:


Ah clever.....But you are putting forth kind of the old, 'you'll pay, and like it' meme. I am telling you that is crap.


j-mac
 
Ah clever.....But you are putting forth kind of the old, 'you'll pay, and like it' meme. I am telling you that is crap.


j-mac
Life is full of crap, and you don't have to like it...it just is what it is and according to the great Navy Philosopher, Popeye, it can't be no more...
 
if the govt raises fuel taxes, you will pay it, if you want to use your car...

You don't understand how that will affect the transportation industry and the added cost to transportation will be passed on to the consumer.
 
You don't understand how that will affect the transportation industry and the added cost to transportation will be passed on to the consumer.

You think I don't understand? Maybe it is you who doesn't understand. I have been paying income and use taxes since 1963. Taxes are inevitable, services have to be provided, and the tooth fairly ran out of money decades ago. WE have to pay, because WE use the services....
 
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