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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Natural gas is the ONLY alternative to oil based transportation fuels.....
    Bill my problem with Natural gas is twofold, one it has to be more dangerous to use than gasoline and they raise gas prices through the roof when oil goes up just because they can...they are under none of the price manipulations of oil...opec, output, natural disasters etc...they just raise it up because they can

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    Change would be negligible. Everyone knows how much oil we have and it's not that much. Do you honestly believe the US is not exploring our own resources? Nobody is that dumb, are they?
    The way China is going they are not fine.

    Our problem is we use too much oil.
    I would say we waste too much oil.....if we have a need for it, we should use it. But nobody NEEDS to drive a gas guzzler 4x4 3/4 or 1 ton truck that never goes off road.... yet there are so many of them..
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Is there a shortage of heat, or water?


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    The states listed in the oil shale area are not known for an abundance of water. The power needed to heat the oil could come from nuclear power plants, or better yet, the residual heat from spent nuclear fuel rods........
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Bill my problem with Natural gas is twofold, one it has to be more dangerous to use than gasoline and they raise gas prices through the roof when oil goes up just because they can...they are under none of the price manipulations of oil...opec, output, natural disasters etc...they just raise it up because they can
    Price isn't the important issue,, availability is the issue...if we need it, we will pay whatever price we must.
    Yes, we can't let untrained people fill their own natural gas tanks. But if we just had our trucking industy using CNG, it would save all that fuel for use in cars. Come to think of it, we could probably build train engines that run on CNG, since the diesel electric trains just use the diesel to make electricity.
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I would say we waste too much oil.....if we have a need for it, we should use it. But nobody NEEDS to drive a gas guzzler 4x4 3/4 or 1 ton truck that never goes off road.... yet there are so many of them..
    Or driving their kid to school a half mile away.
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    The states listed in the oil shale area are not known for an abundance of water. The power needed to heat the oil could come from nuclear power plants, or better yet, the residual heat from spent nuclear fuel rods........
    Sounds like a great employment opportunity.
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    How many US drilling rigs are sitting idle right now because they have no place to drill?
    You mean because all the permits are where there is no oil. You can not find the oil if you can not drill. So getting permits can be a guessing game. Right now Obama is paying Brazil to drill while stopping us from drilling.

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    You do know oil shale is not oil, right?

    You must heat two metric tons of shale to 700 degrees to produce one bbl of low grade synthetic crude and it takes three bbls of water to produce it.


    Coal liquification and compressed natural gas are much more promising than oil shale.
    Wrong they have new technology

    A Cheaper Way to Draw Oil from Shale - Technology Review

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    Sounds like a great employment opportunity.
    not me, I no longer work for a living...I am living large on SS, USN retirement, civilian retirement, and a rich wife....

    But it occurs to me that the water needed to extract shale oil does not need to be beer brewing quality water, it can be partially treated sewage effluent from the nearest large cities.
    The Palo Verde Nuclear Plant west of Phoenix uses that kind of water from Phoenix for its secondary cooling systems. They have their own water treatment plant there to take the partially treated water and make it clean enough for use in the cooling towers...
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    More recently, companies such as Royal Dutch Shell have developed ways to tap the oil in situ, by drilling boreholes that are thousands of feet deep and feeding into them inch-thick cables that are heated using electrical resistance and that literally cook the surrounding rock. The kerogen liquefies and gradually pools around an extraction well, where the oil-like fluid can easily be pumped to the surface.
    Yeah. That will solve our energy needs. Still have to heat it to 700 degrees just to release the kerogen from the shale. Then drill another hole and another thousand foot deep hole and on and on..........
    Cold fusion will be the answer before oil shale.
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