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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Show who is the site authoe
    No speaka Ptif, sorry.


    All I find is a web hosting company. I believe this is an ethanol company which would not be believable. Did you read my link?
    Yes, I did. Your own link agrees with mine - "Over 10% ethanol will cause damage to most conventional engines." E10 does not contain more than 10% ethanol."



    "Q: Can I use ethanol in my motorcycle?
    A: The use of E10 is approved for use by major motorcycle manufacturers including Harley-Davidson, Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki and Yamaha. Harley-Davidson goes so far as to recommend the use of renewable, clean air fuels such as E10 because of their environmental and performance benefits."
    http://mda.mo.gov/weights/fuel/pdf/e10_faq.pdf
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    10% ethanol can be used in old cars, with carburetors, but it isn't a good idea to use E85....there WILL be problems.
    Wrong. The ethanol will eat up parts

    Ethanol May Pose Problem For Older Vehicles - Automotive News Story - WESH Orlando

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No speaka Ptif, sorry.




    Yes, I did. Your own link agrees with mine - "Over 10% ethanol will cause damage to most conventional engines." E10 does not contain more than 10% ethanol."



    "Q: Can I use ethanol in my motorcycle?
    A: The use of E10 is approved for use by major motorcycle manufacturers including Harley-Davidson, Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki and Yamaha. Harley-Davidson goes so far as to recommend the use of renewable, clean air fuels such as E10 because of their environmental and performance benefits."
    http://mda.mo.gov/weights/fuel/pdf/e10_faq.pdf
    Who is the author of your link?

    Wrong ethanol will eat parts. It also attracts water causing damage. To say my link said that shows you only read the parts that you wanted.

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Suit yourself, just don't try to claim you have anything other than opinion to base it on. Did you only read the parts in bold? Only E85 requires a flex fuel vehicle. All modern cars are made to run on E10 with full warrenty and Harley Davidson recommends E10 for their motorcycles.

    Motorcycle manufactuers may say that but I will not take that chance.

    Is Harley caving to the government? I will not take that chance. If it is safe why is 15% ethanol not approved for motorcycles by the EPA?

    More Ethanol in Gas May Damage Motorcycles - Motorcycle USA
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Who is the author of your link?

    Wrong ethanol will eat parts. It also attracts water causing damage. To say my link said that shows you only read the parts that you wanted.
    "A new study out from the Renewable Fuels Association suggests that gasoline containing 15 percent of ethanol (E15)—rather than the current 10 percent standard mix—will not adversely impact fuel systems in older vehicles. The study is not the final word on the issue. That verdict rests in the hands of the Environmental Protection Agency."
    E15 and the EPA - Is E15 Ethanol Safe for Cars? - Popular Mechanics

    "Are renewable fuels compatible with my car or truck? How about my lawnmower or boat?

    Manufacturers expect ethanol blends of up to 10% to be fully compatible with current and previously manufactured gasoline-powered vehicles and engines. However, certain components of older vehicles or engines that are operated in areas where ethanol is new might be affected. As part of a good maintenance program and to alleviate any potential complications, owners are encouraged to monitor their vehicles or engines for hose, seal, or gasket leaks.

    Consult your owner’s manual or servicing dealer for any special instructions. Manufacturers might offer specific recommendations for preparing lawnmowers, boats, and other products for storage during the off-season.

    Owners of boats with older fiberglass tanks are urged to consult their servicing dealer before using ethanol blends.

    Biodiesel’s compatibility with vehicles and engines depends on the amount of biodiesel in the diesel fuel blend as well as the specific vehicle or engine. Most diesel-powered vehicles and engines are compatible with a level of up to 5% biodiesel, while some vehicles and engines are compatible with a higher percentage. Consumers should check their owner’s manual or consult with the manufacturer for fuel recommendations and warranties."
    Renewable Fuel Standard Implementation: Frequently Asked Consumer Questions | Fuels & Fuel Additives | Transportation & Air Quality | US EPA
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "A new study out from the Renewable Fuels Association suggests that gasoline containing 15 percent of ethanol (E15)—rather than the current 10 percent standard mix—will not adversely impact fuel systems in older vehicles. The study is not the final word on the issue. That verdict rests in the hands of the Environmental Protection Agency."
    E15 and the EPA - Is E15 Ethanol Safe for Cars? - Popular Mechanics

    "Are renewable fuels compatible with my car or truck? How about my lawnmower or boat?

    Manufacturers expect ethanol blends of up to 10% to be fully compatible with current and previously manufactured gasoline-powered vehicles and engines. However, certain components of older vehicles or engines that are operated in areas where ethanol is new might be affected. As part of a good maintenance program and to alleviate any potential complications, owners are encouraged to monitor their vehicles or engines for hose, seal, or gasket leaks.

    Consult your owner’s manual or servicing dealer for any special instructions. Manufacturers might offer specific recommendations for preparing lawnmowers, boats, and other products for storage during the off-season.

    Owners of boats with older fiberglass tanks are urged to consult their servicing dealer before using ethanol blends.

    Biodiesel’s compatibility with vehicles and engines depends on the amount of biodiesel in the diesel fuel blend as well as the specific vehicle or engine. Most diesel-powered vehicles and engines are compatible with a level of up to 5% biodiesel, while some vehicles and engines are compatible with a higher percentage. Consumers should check their owner’s manual or consult with the manufacturer for fuel recommendations and warranties."
    Renewable Fuel Standard Implementation: Frequently Asked Consumer Questions | Fuels & Fuel Additives | Transportation & Air Quality | US EPA
    So people promoting the fuel say it will not hurt


    Yet the sights I show say the oppisite. Even the EPA exempts motorcycles. The EPA says to use it in Vehicles made after 2007

    Like I say you use it I will not.
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    [QUOTE=ptif219;1059345872]
    So people promoting the fuel say it will not hurt


    Yet the sights I show say the oppisite.

    No, as I quoted above from your site, they said not to use over 10% ethanol. Even the EPA exempts motorcycles. The EPA says to use it in Vehicles made after 2007

    Like I say you use it I will not.

    No your site said gas with more than 10% ethanol was not good for all cars. EPA says, linked in the same post you didn't read above said, "Manufacturers expect ethanol blends of up to 10% to be fully compatible with current and previously manufactured gasoline-powered vehicles and engines."

    Even the maker of your beloved motorcycle approves the use of E10 ethanol:

    "Harley Davidson (Owners manual-2009)

    GASOLINE BLENDS

    Your motorcycle was designed to get the best performance
    and efficiency using unleaded gasoline. Most gasoline is
    blended with alcohol and/or ether to create oxygenated blends.

    The type and amount of alcohol or ether added to the fuel is
    important.

    Do not use gasoline that contains methanol. Doing so can
    result in fuel system component failure, engine damage and/
    or equipment malfunction.


    Gasoline containing METHYL TERTIARY BUTYL
    ETHER (MTBE): Gasoline/MTBE blends are a mixture of
    gasoline and as much as 15% MTBE, Gasoline/MTBE blends
    can be used in your motorcycle.


    ETHANOL is a mixture of 10% ethanol (Grain alcohol)
    and 90% unleaded gasoline. Gasoline/ethanol blends can be
    used in your motorcycle if the ethanol content does not
    exceed 10%
    .


    REFORMULATED OR OXYGENATED GASOLINE
    (RFG): Reformulated gasoline is a term used to describe
    gasoline blends that are specifically designed to burn cleaner
    than other types of gasoline, leaving fewer tailpipe emissions.
    They are also formulated to evaporate less when you are
    filling your tank. Reformulated gasolines use additives to
    • Kohler (Owners manual-2009)
    oxygenate the gas. Your motorcycle will run normally using
    General Recommendations
    Purchase gasoline in small quantities and store in clean, this type of gas and Harley-Davidson recommends you use it
    approved containers. A container with a capacity of 2 gallons when possible, as an aid to cleaner air in our environment.
    or less with a pouring spout is recommended. Such a
    Do not use race gas or octane boosters. Use of these
    container is easier to handle and helps eliminate spillage •
    fuels will damage the fuel system.
    during refueling.

    Do not use gasoline left over from the previous season to Some gasoline blends might adversely affect the starting,
    minimize gum deposits in your fuel system and to ensure easy driveability or fuel efficiency of the motorcycle, If any of these
    problems are experienced, try a different blend of gasoline or
    starting.
    gasoline with a higher octane blend.
    Do not add oil to the gasoline."

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post


    No your site said gas with more than 10% ethanol was not good for all cars. EPA says, linked in the same post you didn't read above said, "Manufacturers expect ethanol blends of up to 10% to be fully compatible with current and previously manufactured gasoline-powered vehicles and engines."

    Even the maker of your beloved motorcycle approves the use of E10 ethanol:

    "Harley Davidson (Owners manual-2009)

    GASOLINE BLENDS

    Your motorcycle was designed to get the best performance
    and efficiency using unleaded gasoline. Most gasoline is
    blended with alcohol and/or ether to create oxygenated blends.

    The type and amount of alcohol or ether added to the fuel is
    important.

    Do not use gasoline that contains methanol. Doing so can
    result in fuel system component failure, engine damage and/
    or equipment malfunction.


    Gasoline containing METHYL TERTIARY BUTYL
    ETHER (MTBE): Gasoline/MTBE blends are a mixture of
    gasoline and as much as 15% MTBE, Gasoline/MTBE blends
    can be used in your motorcycle.


    ETHANOL is a mixture of 10% ethanol (Grain alcohol)
    and 90% unleaded gasoline. Gasoline/ethanol blends can be
    used in your motorcycle if the ethanol content does not
    exceed 10%
    .


    REFORMULATED OR OXYGENATED GASOLINE
    (RFG): Reformulated gasoline is a term used to describe
    gasoline blends that are specifically designed to burn cleaner
    than other types of gasoline, leaving fewer tailpipe emissions.
    They are also formulated to evaporate less when you are
    filling your tank. Reformulated gasolines use additives to
    • Kohler (Owners manual-2009)
    oxygenate the gas. Your motorcycle will run normally using
    General Recommendations
    Purchase gasoline in small quantities and store in clean, this type of gas and Harley-Davidson recommends you use it
    approved containers. A container with a capacity of 2 gallons when possible, as an aid to cleaner air in our environment.
    or less with a pouring spout is recommended. Such a
    Do not use race gas or octane boosters. Use of these
    container is easier to handle and helps eliminate spillage •
    fuels will damage the fuel system.
    during refueling.

    Do not use gasoline left over from the previous season to Some gasoline blends might adversely affect the starting,
    minimize gum deposits in your fuel system and to ensure easy driveability or fuel efficiency of the motorcycle, If any of these
    problems are experienced, try a different blend of gasoline or
    starting.
    gasoline with a higher octane blend.
    Do not add oil to the gasoline."

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    Nice how you ignore the parts that it does harm. Often what the manufacturer and government say are not reality. When it absorbs water we know it is bad for engines. When it eats plastic and rubber we know it is bad for gaskets.

    You ignore the fact that the 15% is not recommended for those vehicles. That tells me 10% is also bad

    By the way I am leaving soon for South Carolina. My laptop took a dump so I will not be posting for a while
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    How did cars run on octane enriched with lead alcohol for so many years with the sole complaint going to pollution, not engine failure due to the fuel?
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You ignore the fact that the 15% is not recommended for those vehicles. That tells me 10% is also bad
    And this post shows why you post what you do. It's really not your fault.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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