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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Not to worry. The news people on FOX news were smiling and laughing this morning saying gas prices are sure to drop because of the reduced driving by the Japanese after the disaster. I thought I had heard everything but they shocked me again.
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    Not to worry. The news people on FOX news were smiling and laughing this morning saying gas prices are sure to drop because of the reduced driving by the Japanese after the disaster. I thought I had heard everything but they shocked me again.
    "after the break, pulling the wings off butterflys"....sure to be a crowd pleaser.

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    "after the break, pulling the wings off butterflys"....sure to be a crowd pleaser.

    Fox News is puke served on a silver platter...
    It did make me want to hurl.
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Expedited permits? other liberals would file suit immediately.....
    yes, we should have been building new nukes all along, but we didn't. Who takes the blame for that? or credit, based on your viewpoint.

    Blame the EPA, and the whacko environmentalists like Martin Sheen that would chain themselves to the gates with a cross claiming some moral high ground. Now when we need to rely more on that tech we find ourselves behind the rest of the world when it comes to nuke tech for power.....Good job!


    We wouldn't need a substantial percentage of the power plants we have now if we all decided to conserve electricity.
    Where is the expedited effort there?

    Ah the famous Jimmah Carter 'wear an extry sweater' speech. You know he was a laughing stock then when he said it, and now it just makes you look foolish. Everything from our Auto's to our homes have become so energy efficient to the point of climate controlled buildings making some sick because they won't let germs out. This country has enough resource to be energy independent for hundreds of years, and with the money saved we could invest in alternate energy supplies for the future. Rather than the back ass way liberals want to pursue it which is drive cost up, starve the people until we have no choice but to start over as we sit in the dark.... Get with the program man, I know you are a smart guy, but damn, you can't be this duped.


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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post

    Ah the famous Jimmah Carter 'wear an extry sweater' speech. You know he was a laughing stock then when he said it, and now it just makes you look foolish. Everything from our Auto's to our homes have become so energy efficient to the point of climate controlled buildings making some sick because they won't let germs out. This country has enough resource to be energy independent for hundreds of years, and with the money saved we could invest in alternate energy supplies for the future. Rather than the back ass way liberals want to pursue it which is drive cost up, starve the people until we have no choice but to start over as we sit in the dark.... Get with the program man, I know you are a smart guy, but damn, you can't be this duped.


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    Had we followed Carters policies we would be energy independent by now, but morons like you thought conservation, increasing fuel efficiency and eliminating waste were just too much of an inconvenience.
    Carters policies actually started to work driving down oil company profits, so Reagan scrapped them.

    Carter a laughing stock when he gave his speech? Hardly. He was dead on in what needed to be done. Too bad profits were more important.


    If we fail to act soon, we will face an economic, social and political crisis that will threaten our free institutions.

    But we still have another choice. We can begin to prepare right now. We can decide to act while there is time.

    That is the concept of the energy policy we will present on Wednesday. Our national energy plan is based on ten fundamental principles.

    The first principle is that we can have an effective and comprehensive energy policy only if the government takes responsibility for it and if the people understand the seriousness of the challenge and are willing to make sacrifices.

    The second principle is that healthy economic growth must continue. Only by saving energy can we maintain our standard of living and keep our people at work. An effective conservation program will create hundreds of thousands of new jobs.

    The third principle is that we must protect the environment. Our energy problems have the same cause as our environmental problems -- wasteful use of resources. Conservation helps us solve both at once.

    The fourth principle is that we must reduce our vulnerability to potentially devastating embargoes. We can protect ourselves from uncertain supplies by reducing our demand for oil, making the most of our abundant resources such as coal, and developing a strategic petroleum reserve.

    The fifth principle is that we must be fair. Our solutions must ask equal sacrifices from every region, every class of people, every interest group. Industry will have to do its part to conserve, just as the consumers will. The energy producers deserve fair treatment, but we will not let the oil companies profiteer.

    The sixth principle, and the cornerstone of our policy, is to reduce the demand through conservation. Our emphasis on conservation is a clear difference between this plan and others which merely encouraged crash production efforts. Conservation is the quickest, cheapest, most practical source of energy. Conservation is the only way we can buy a barrel of oil for a few dollars. It costs about $13 to waste it.

    The seventh principle is that prices should generally reflect the true replacement costs of energy. We are only cheating ourselves if we make energy artificially cheap and use more than we can really afford.

    The eighth principle is that government policies must be predictable and certain. Both consumers and producers need policies they can count on so they can plan ahead. This is one reason I am working with the Congress to create a new Department of Energy, to replace more than 50 different agencies that now have some control over energy.

    The ninth principle is that we must conserve the fuels that are scarcest and make the most of those that are more plentiful. We can't continue to use oil and gas for 75 percent of our consumption when they make up seven percent of our domestic reserves. We need to shift to plentiful coal while taking care to protect the environment, and to apply stricter safety standards to nuclear energy.

    The tenth principle is that we must start now to develop the new, unconventional sources of energy we will rely on in the next century.

    These ten principles have guided the development of the policy I would describe to you and the Congress on Wednesday.
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    They can't be built without loan guarantees from the government because private sector lenders think they are too risky. From the same article:

    "Free-market groups complained that the loan guarantees could leave taxpayers on the hook for projects too risky for the private sector to finance."

    If the private sector lenders were correct in their risk assessment, we are out $8 billion dollars. Which administration has ever committed more funding for Nuclear Power?
    The truth of the matter is that nuclear plants have been built without loan guarentees. The problem is getting the government to allow them to use them once built.

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Expedited permits? other liberals would file suit immediately.....
    yes, we should have been building new nukes all along, but we didn't. Who takes the blame for that? or credit, based on your viewpoint.
    We wouldn't need a substantial percentage of the power plants we have now if we all decided to conserve electricity.
    Where is the expedited effort there?
    I blame each sucessive administration for the last 30 years for not putting a viable energy plan together. If you think that conservation ( while helpful) can be a key to fixing this problem you lack an understanding of how big the problem is.

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    The truth of the matter is that nuclear plants have been built without loan guarentees. The problem is getting the government to allow them to use them once built.

    Who has has said they will loan the money for the new nuclear power plants without federal loan guarantees? You may have just found a way to save taxpayers $8 billion dollars.
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I am not a fan of ethanol either, I would prefer to pay the extra price it would cost without. You convince everyone a price increase is necessary to avoid ethanol, and I'm with you! LOL!
    Wrong if there was no ethanol they would not inflate the price

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Blame the EPA, and the whacko environmentalists like Martin Sheen that would chain themselves to the gates with a cross claiming some moral high ground. Now when we need to rely more on that tech we find ourselves behind the rest of the world when it comes to nuke tech for power.....Good job!
    Ah the famous Jimmah Carter 'wear an extry sweater' speech. You know he was a laughing stock then when he said it, and now it just makes you look foolish. Everything from our Auto's to our homes have become so energy efficient to the point of climate controlled buildings making some sick because they won't let germs out. This country has enough resource to be energy independent for hundreds of years, and with the money saved we could invest in alternate energy supplies for the future. Rather than the back ass way liberals want to pursue it which is drive cost up, starve the people until we have no choice but to start over as we sit in the dark.... Get with the program man, I know you are a smart guy, but damn, you can't be this duped.


    j-mac

    I am far more educated in the aspects of energy production, and use, than most....been at it since the 70's. And I voted for Carter, the only democrat I ever voted for. He was a poor president in many ways, but his proposed energy plan was the right thing to do then, and it is the right thing to do now.
    The average age of cars on the road is about 10 years old.....and nearly all of them are fairly efficient, as you say. But even if they get excellent mileage and barely pollute, driving them for no good reason is wasteful.
    The average age of BUILDINGS, however, is harder to determine, but a good guess is 50 years old, or older, and damn few of them were designed, oriented, or built properly with respect to minimizing energy use. I googled all my old addresses, from about 1950 on, and looked at the satellite view. They are all still there, wasting energy, polluting our air and water.
    Properly designed building don't make people sick. The key words are insulation, infiltration, insolation, orientation, and fenestration.
    Make your house air tight first, then add a Heat Recovery Ventilator, aka air to air heat exchanger to get fresh air into the house.
    People living in Canada know all about this, and Americans in the northern states should, but don't. I had to explain it to the city building inspector in Utah just 3 years ago. My HVAC contractor had seen one once, but wasn't curious enough to look into it.
    Houses just up the hill from me have multiple air conditioners, 2 and sometimes 3. My house has 1, a small one, undersized according to the HVAC contractor, but it does the job the few months it is needed.
    As for alternate energy sources, what do you think they are?

    Name a viable alternative for oil, if you can. Then name alternatives for coal or nuclear....
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