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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

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    There aren't any permits being issued. Sounds like a ban to me. Not to mention Obama inacted moratoriums in the eastern GOM and the East Coast. There's also a moratorium in ANWAR.



    So...the price of oil is going up in the middle of a depression. That's what.

    We should be expanding, not only to keep gas prices down, but to create jobs.
    Here is another back door to stop drilling

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

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    I thought the stimulus was to fix the roads?

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    Gas tax is supposed to be for maintaining roads, stimulus would likely be a temporary application of funds.
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

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    Gas tax is supposed to be for maintaining roads, stimulus would likely be a temporary application of funds.
    Is that what it's being called, now?

    I recall someone saying a few months ago that it's, "long term investment in infrastructure".

    So far, it's been nothing but an investment in 30 years worth of Libbo wet dreams.
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Earlier in the thread Bill, and Dana were speaking of other tech out there that may or may not have promise in energy for the future. My question though is not in how many different schemes for producing energy there are, viable, or not, but rather in what can be done now. See, I truly am a believer in research everything, but right now we are a fossil fueled world, and choking off those fuels, and telling us that we are tearing up the world for going after them, while at the same time turning the other way while other countries drill our resource seems almost planned to work against this country.


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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Earlier in the thread Bill, and Dana were speaking of other tech out there that may or may not have promise in energy for the future. My question though is not in how many different schemes for producing energy there are, viable, or not, but rather in what can be done now. See, I truly am a believer in research everything, but right now we are a fossil fueled world, and choking off those fuels, and telling us that we are tearing up the world for going after them, while at the same time turning the other way while other countries drill our resource seems almost planned to work against this country.


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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Earlier in the thread Bill, and Dana were speaking of other tech out there that may or may not have promise in energy for the future. My question though is not in how many different schemes for producing energy there are, viable, or not, but rather in what can be done now. See, I truly am a believer in research everything, but right now we are a fossil fueled world, and choking off those fuels, and telling us that we are tearing up the world for going after them, while at the same time turning the other way while other countries drill our resource seems almost planned to work against this country.


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    Reporters are usually nothing more than repeaters....they don't understand the technology they are reporting on...they repeat pure fiction some times without knowing it. Politicians know even less....
    I have been reading and thinking on energy issues for 35 years, and I hear or read a lot of stupidity on the one hand, and blatant lies from charlatans on the other.
    Magazine articles were plentiful, but short on facts concerning the down side of anything new, and there is always a down side.
    Back in the 60's the writers in Popular Science and Popular mechanics were telling us that nuclear powered electrical generation would be so cheap, it wouldn't even be metered. Anybody here getting power without a meter?
    The reason we use gasoline and diesel for transportation is because it is the easiest to obtain, safest to use, highly portable, and has a very high power density. We built a distribution system geared to liquid fuels, and now we are dependent on it. There is NOTHING on the near horizon to replace it, not without a lot of changes, a lot of work, a lot of money....
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Reporters are usually nothing more than repeaters....they don't understand the technology they are reporting on...they repeat pure fiction some times without knowing it. Politicians know even less....

    I have no doubt you are right about this.


    I have been reading and thinking on energy issues for 35 years, and I hear or read a lot of stupidity on the one hand, and blatant lies from charlatans on the other.
    Magazine articles were plentiful, but short on facts concerning the down side of anything new, and there is always a down side.

    Ok, so considering this, why would we be moving at what seems to be light speed to decouple ourselves from current sources of energy, when others are not proven, or even understood sufficiently?

    Back in the 60's the writers in Popular Science and Popular mechanics were telling us that nuclear powered electrical generation would be so cheap, it wouldn't even be metered. Anybody here getting power without a meter?
    And how much of the country is currently using nuclear energy? We are seriously behind in this area if you ask me.

    The reason we use gasoline and diesel for transportation is because it is the easiest to obtain, safest to use, highly portable, and has a very high power density. We built a distribution system geared to liquid fuels, and now we are dependent on it.
    And so how exactly does it make sense to restrict our own supplies, while allowing others to extract them, while we buy from overseas, including our enemies in the world?


    There is NOTHING on the near horizon to replace it, not without a lot of changes, a lot of work, a lot of money....

    Changes America would deal with if it were viable, Work is no problem, we are Americans, Money we don't have.

    I won't spend the time here and now explaining it all, but if you have comments or doubts or questions, fire away....

    I may not understand highly technical issues without you dumbing them down a little, but I am genuinely interested and from what I see being presented now, it is almost like we are being told to get off of fossil fuels, with nothing else in the wings to switch to.


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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I have no doubt you are right about this



    Ok, so considering this, why would we be moving at what seems to be light speed to decouple ourselves from current sources of energy, when others are not proven, or even understood sufficiently?
    .It just seems we are decoupling, we are not, at least not at any speed....gasoline powered cars will still be here when you and I are dead...






    And how much of the country is currently using nuclear energy? We are seriously behind in this area if you ask me.
    Read up on Architecture 2030,,,,its goals are to lessen the energy needs of buildings by 50 percent, thus lessening the needs for new power plants, which should all be nuclear, of course. Even Obama is in favor of Nuclear, thanks to him picking an engineer for DOE head...


    And so how exactly does it make sense to restrict our own supplies, while allowing others to extract them, while we buy from overseas, including our enemies in the world?

    So when they run out, we can sell them ours, at very high prices, that is my guess. Much of ours isn't as easy to get at, compared to Saudi Arabie, for example, plus their crude is sweet, ..google sweet crude for more info...

    Changes America would deal with if it were viable, Work is no problem, we are Americans, Money we don't have.




    I may not understand highly technical issues without you dumbing them down a little, but I am genuinely interested and from what I see being presented now, it is almost like we are being told to get off of fossil fuels, with nothing else in the wings to switch to.

    Well, we can't switch, not yet...but if the federal and state govts were smart, they would lower the speed limits by 10mph on all hiways, freeways, but not in town, and let that be a signal to the OPEC countries...that we won't let them control our economy.
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

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    Gas tax is supposed to be for maintaining roads, stimulus would likely be a temporary application of funds.
    Supposed to be? who is stealing it for other things?

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