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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    The White House rewrote crucial sections of an Interior Department report to suggest an independent group of scientists and engineers supported a six-month ban on offshore oil drilling, the Interior inspector general says in a new report.

    The White House edit of the original DOI draft executive summary led to the implication that the moratorium recommendation had been peer-reviewed by the experts,”

    Black said he didn’t have any issues with the White House edit; he and his staffer both told the IG it never occurred to them that an objective reader would conclude that peer reviewers had supported the six-month moratorium.
    Nevertheless,*Interior apologized*to the peer reviewers in early June after some of them complained they were used to support the controversial ban.


    Interior inspector general: White House skewed drilling-ban report - Dan Berman - POLITICO.com

    Now I know this is not a good site to be pulling from, but I'm just to damn tired to otherwise .
    From your own article, you missed this part, "“There was no intent to mislead the public,” Barkoff said in a statement to POLITICO. “The decision to impose a temporary moratorium on deepwater drilling was made by the secretary, following consultation with colleagues including the White House.”

    And this part, "“As the report makes clear, the misunderstanding with the reviewers was resolved with the June 3rd letter and a subsequent conference call with the experts we consulted,” Barkoff said."

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    More opinion with no facts to back it up.
    LOL!

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    one note sallies also are probably unaware of what's going on regarding the epa

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    dogmatists and doctrinaires probably aren't real sensitive to the crucial role played in the caucus by the likes of health care warriors rockefeller and mccaskill

    and combat boots webb is necessary to the success of any legislation, webb's what's known as swing

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    [QUOTE=The Barbarian;1059333349]Your right ... we haven't .. I wasn't agruing that point, what I was saying was that we were making gains in our production, in both 2008 and 2009 .. is that a bad thing or a good thing??

    Gains in production but not more than the increase in our consumption. Its good if we use that production to lower our costs in building renewable energy alternatives. Not so good, if we continue to think there is always going to be cheap oil so there is no need to conserve or transition away from fossil fuels. And, not so good if we continue to burn it so wastefully, or spill it so recklessly that we create other problems for ourselves or future generations.

    nope, but does that mean we shouldn't be trying?
    As long as we are simultaneously taking the proper conservation and environmentally sound practices at the same time I would agree.

    agrees 50%, it also was the worst oil spill in our history, because regulators did not do their jobs... read up on how many violations had been issued to that rig, and how many inspections by government regulators we missed. That rig should have been shut down with the violations it had, and I still can't understand why inspections seemed to stop for nearly 6 months prior to the accident. thats why I say we don't need new regulations we need to enforce .. enforce .. and enforce some more those that we have
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    And I will agree that Obama did not change the shoddy regulatory process leftover from the last administration fast enough. But it surely would not have made since given the sloppy permitting of those deepwater rigs to let them continue until it could be determined it would be safe.

    As for getting off the need for so much oil, you and I have had this discussion before .. and we agree that we need to .. we just don't agree on what we should do until we begin to wean ourselves from oil.
    There is not enough time anyway to save us from what is going to be a very bumpy ride. The longer we wait to conserve and transition to other forms of energy the more painful it will be.
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    From your own article, you missed this part, "“There was no intent to mislead the public,” Barkoff said in a statement to POLITICO. “The decision to impose a temporary moratorium on deepwater drilling was made by the secretary, following consultation with colleagues including the White House.”

    And this part, "“As the report makes clear, the misunderstanding with the reviewers was resolved with the June 3rd letter and a subsequent conference call with the experts we consulted,” Barkoff said."

    Read more: Interior inspector general: White House skewed drilling-ban report - Dan Berman - POLITICO.comJ2
    barkoff said...

    LOL!

    meanwhile, obama's VERY OWN spill panel:

    Public misled on spill, panel says- The New Haven Register - Serving New Haven, Connecticut

    "not fully competent or not fully candid"

    ouch

    the spill panel report landed ON TOP OF interior's ig's similar findings which salazar's spokesperson assures us was completely innocuous

    White House Altered Offshore Drilling Safety Report, Falsely Appeared That Scientists Supported Moratorium: Interior Inspector General Report

    too stuck in 1971 to see, apparently
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Here we go on our way to another manufactured crisis from Obama, and the radical leftist in this country.

    I hope we last two more years.


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    Whaaa?

    How the F' did Obama have anything to do with speculation driving the price up? Especially considering Libya's oil ONLY goes to Europe & Saudi Arabia said they'd increase to compensate for any loss.

    Do you guys know anything about the basics of the oil cartel game? Er the commodities black market sub game? Thought you all where fiscally 'saavy'.

    I'd think after the war of Choice called Operation Iraqi Liberation you'd have a Freakin' clue.

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes, of course it was my discussion of peak oil before you interjected yourself with your attempt to change the subject.



    Yes, I do and I have even placed bold emphasis so you can see it too.



    Now why should I be apologizing to you?
    Now you are lying. I quoted the post I replied to that was ONLY about oil reserves, NOT peak oil.

    Your dishonesty is very telling, but typical of you.

    You are dismissed. I don't discuss political topics with blatant liers.

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    and replaced him with Ronald Reagan who out of sheer spite dismantled the one right thing that Carter did, implement an energy policy. Every republican president since has said we need an energy policy, but that appears to be empty rhetoric on their part.
    don't let your blind hatred of all things "liberal" make you unable to see the wisdom in having an energy policy....
    there is nothing liberal about having an energy policy, it is just good common, yea verily even good conservative thinking.
    Ahhh yes, the "engineer" with no engineering degree. Let's see what his wonderful "energy policy" accomplished:

    He lowered the speed limit to 55 mph. Now there's a great accomplishment. He managed to piss off millions of drivers.

    He installed a solar system on the white house as a symbolic gesture. Dems are big on symbols and light on action.

    He proposed an energy policy to Congress that emphasized the increased use of coal. The Democratic controlled Senate shot him down.

    He tried to force striking coal miners to accept a contract they didn't want. They refused resulting in thousands of businesses and schools being forced to close due to lack of electricity.

    And finally, his coup-de-grace.... he totally bungled relations with Iran, resulting in greatly increased oil prices.

    Yep, where would we be without ole Jimmy.

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by TANK BODINE View Post
    Whaaa?

    How the F' did Obama have anything to do with speculation driving the price up? Especially considering Libya's oil ONLY goes to Europe & Saudi Arabia said they'd increase to compensate for any loss.

    I am sure that will illicit another bow at the waist, and kiss of the ring from our weak ass President.

    Do you guys know anything about the basics of the oil cartel game? Er the commodities black market sub game? Thought you all where fiscally 'saavy'.
    I know this, subscribing solely to Keynes as your basis for determining fiscal acuity is a huge historical mistake. Second, if we announced that the exploration gloves were off and America is getting back in aggressively to the exploration, and extraction game, oil would fall in price be half over night.


    I'd think after the war of Choice called Operation Iraqi Liberation you'd have a Freakin' clue.

    Great, another Bash Bush Obama leftie that thinks he knows all... Welcome I always knew that the regulars on here needed reinforcement against the best and brightest of DP.....


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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Ahhh yes, the "engineer" with no engineering degree. Let's see what his wonderful "energy policy" accomplished:

    He lowered the speed limit to 55 mph. Now there's a great accomplishment. He managed to piss off millions of drivers.

    He installed a solar system on the white house as a symbolic gesture. Dems are big on symbols and light on action.

    He proposed an energy policy to Congress that emphasized the increased use of coal. The Democratic controlled Senate shot him down.

    He tried to force striking coal miners to accept a contract they didn't want. They refused resulting in thousands of businesses and schools being forced to close due to lack of electricity.

    And finally, his coup-de-grace.... he totally bungled relations with Iran, resulting in greatly increased oil prices.

    Yep, where would we be without ole Jimmy.
    He has a bachelors of science from the Naval Academy..in physics. So I guess you are right, his degree is not actually an engineering degree. It is better....
    He completed the Navy Nuclear power school program, a year long school. To get a job as a reactor operator at a civilian power plant, you must have a degree in engineering or science, OR have completed Navy Nuclear Power School. So enlisted ranks like me have the equivalent education as an engineer when it comes to doing that job.

    This thread isn't about his failed foreign policies, why do you bring that up? If you weren't so blindly addicted to the conservative flavor koolaid, you wouldn't be dissing Jimmy. Or are you getting burned about some of us saying that Reagan shouldn't have spit on the only energy policy we ever had?

    BTW, what degree do you have? from where? Or is that classified still?

    I know 2 guys working as civil engineers, one has his PE license. One has a degree in accounting, the other in something else that I don't remember, but it isn't engineering.
    Maybe that PE exam isn't so hard?
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Here we go on our way to another manufactured crisis from Obama, and the radical leftist in this country.

    I hope we last two more years.


    j-mac
    What makes this such a problem is that Obama doesn't give a **** . . . in fact, that plays right into what he *wants* and he's spurring it on - intentionally -through his actions.

    He wants us to be less dependent on oil (he says "foreign oil" but he doesn't want to merely replace their oil with ours, you know).
    And he doesn't care who suffers from this issue.
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