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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

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    Not likely...we have very few power plants using oil.
    Electric rates are very stable compared to what we pay for natural gas to heat our homes. Here is a good read....

    Clean Energy Insight - Moving Energy Forward Blog Archive Info: The Cost of Energy
    The fuels for those plants has to be delivered somehow and in 99.9% of the time that delivery system is fueled by diesel fuel.
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

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    Much of electricity is generated by coal, the dirtiest of the fossil fuels. It just blows my mind that Obama has this dogma that liberals are intent in following even if it makes zero sense. Also have you thought about where the extra electric generation will come from if we suddenly had 100 million electric cars. Would this administration and the EPA allow for hundreds more polluting electric generatin plants. The administration to my knowledge has not allowed any nuclear plants to be built in their two plus years in office.
    This administration has provided more funding for nuclear power generation than any in history - $8 billion dollars.

    "President Obama on Tuesday pledged $8 billion in loan guarantees needed to build the first U.S. nuclear reactors in nearly three decades."
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Much of electricity is generated by coal, the dirtiest of the fossil fuels. It just blows my mind that Obama has this dogma that liberals are intent in following even if it makes zero sense. Also have you thought about where the extra electric generation will come from if we suddenly had 100 million electric cars. Would this administration and the EPA allow for hundreds more polluting electric generatin plants. The administration to my knowledge has not allowed any nuclear plants to be built in their two plus years in office.
    wrong, even the Sierra Club has come around in favor of nuclear....Obama has an engineer for an energy secretary. While Obama may know nothing about engineering and energy, he at least knows to pick someone who does.
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Well bully for him. Problem is that although he picks Engineers to head up the dept, the Engineer he picked is on board with his stated energy policy of prices "necessarily skyrocketing".... We should continue to invest in research and perfection of green tech, but while that is being developed, it makes NO sense to just stop the current energy sources, and put our own gathering of those sources off limits. That is a recipe for disaster.


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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well bully for him. Problem is that although he picks Engineers to head up the dept, the Engineer he picked is on board with his stated energy policy of prices "necessarily skyrocketing".... We should continue to invest in research and perfection of green tech, but while that is being developed, it makes NO sense to just stop the current energy sources, and put our own gathering of those sources off limits. That is a recipe for disaster.


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    We aren't stopping anything......more coal plants are being built, likewise more combined cycle gas turbine plants.

    http://www.netl.doe.gov/coal/refshelf/ncp.pdf

    Coal and Nuclear are base load plants, gas turbines are typically used for peak load demands.

    each has its plusses and minuses....coal is dirtiest, gas is cleaner, nuclear is non-polluting. Coal and gas tend to get shut down in very cold weather, as Texas found out this last winter. Gas mains pressure dropped due to home owners having to burn more gas to heat their homes, and the gas turbines couldn't get enough fuel. Coal plants also shut down, altho I haven't heard exactly why, but it had to do with the Texas coal plants not being designed for cold weather. Texas isn't supposed to get that cold.
    They had rolling outages, thanks to unanticipated weather extremes.

    Nuclear kept going like the energizer bunny.
    Green tech is still too far away to be more than a fair weather SUPPLEMENT to our energy needs. It is like burning a few candles to add more light to a room that is already illuminated by a 100W bulb.
    Again, Obama was posturing and pandering. Even if he meant what he said, he surely got corrected by those in the know.
    There are NO EASY ENERGY ANSWERS, except in the dreams of ignorant people. A little education wouldn't hurt them one bit. Like I said, even the Sierra club is now pro-nuclear. Took them decades to realize it, but Nuclear is the best large source of electricity we have available to us. Wind and solar are nice supplemental sources, but cannot be depended upon in the dark and/or when the wind don't blow.


    But the thread is about oil, and so far, the only viable "supplement" is natural gas, and it isn't available everywhere. No way the average citizen will be allowed to fill his own tank, either. Pickens says we should convert all commercial trucks to gas, which would help replace a lot of diesel, but not much gasoline. That would be a very good start.....but so far, the truckers aren't on board.
    I wonder why...
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Weather-related rotating power outages ended in North Texas | Weather | News from Fort W...


    another good article explaining energy problems in Texas, home of big oil...
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well bully for him. Problem is that although he picks Engineers to head up the dept, the Engineer he picked is on board with his stated energy policy of prices "necessarily skyrocketing".... We should continue to invest in research and perfection of green tech, but while that is being developed, it makes NO sense to just stop the current energy sources, and put our own gathering of those sources off limits. That is a recipe for disaster.

    Are you just now noticing that we passed peak oil in this country in 1971? Why do you think they are trying to drill at 2000 ft under the sea?
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Are you just now noticing that we passed peak oil in this country in 1971? Why do you think they are trying to drill at 2000 ft under the sea?
    must be to get some more of that "easy" oil.....
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Are you just now noticing that we passed peak oil in this country in 1971? Why do you think they are trying to drill at 2000 ft under the sea?

    Because the government will not let them drill other places

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    This administration has provided more funding for nuclear power generation than any in history - $8 billion dollars.

    "President Obama on Tuesday pledged $8 billion in loan guarantees needed to build the first U.S. nuclear reactors in nearly three decades."
    Obama Nuclear Power Plants - Obama pledges $8 billion for new nuclear reactors - Los Angeles Times
    Thats just great, now if they begin the permitting process today, why they should get it by 2014, then take another 3 to 5 years to build it... so you should see the first new nuclear power plant online by about 2018.

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