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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    He does know what he's doing... raising energy costs will provide fertile ground to extend and spend for alternatives. It makes the conversation with the American people a no brainer --- either use gas at $6.75 a gallon, or buy a battery powered car and don't buy gas at all OR, use the new high speed rail system instead of driving - and then the government uses tax money to subsidize the alternative energy and rail sector to get the prices low. The man and his advisors have a plan - just like DOMA. He didn't do that for nothing.... what do you think will happen when / if the Healthcare bill is found unconstitutional? He's setting precedent with one bill so if he needs it again on something so important like Healthcare... he does it again and it's not such a shock. Then he says at the Governors meeting how he's going to be flexible... flexible to let the States do what they want as long as it rolls up into a program the Fed can control.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Good example of what I was saying. Who cares if it was a republican or democrat who passed lousy legislation. And to say that your politician is a bigger knucklehead than mine seems childish.
    PTif does!

    Originally posted by Ptif - I see make us use ethanol that lowers MPG and then expect the auto industry to still find ways to increase mileage. Shows how stupid these GW environmentalists are
    Evidently you have not been around for the countless times Ptif has said that ethanol was forced on us by the GW crowd. That is who the facts were in response to.
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Not those people who are still saving, but retirees. There are lots of them with good retirement incomes and substantial savings as well. But even those who are nearing retirement could benefit. My wife's IRA, almost $200K, is in a fixed account, earning a whopping 1%.....that money would be better spent making our AZ home more energy efficient, or buying a new home that is wheelchair compatible. I am not there now, but will be. Parkinson's has no cure.

    Damn Bill, I am sorry.

    My IRA funds are almost gone, used to build a house in Utah. We have about $120K in retirement income, the bulk of which is periodically adjusted for cost of living. We are well protected in our medical care needs. We don't NEED so much savings. There are a lot of people in that category. Like I said, trillions....

    I can't see those on fixed incomes putting their savings in unproven tech. Just not realistic.


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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Damn Bill, I am sorry.




    I can't see those on fixed incomes putting their savings in unproven tech. Just not realistic.


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    There are worse things than Parkinson's, but thanks....
    Fixed income? No such thing. Even SS has COLA, but the bigger part of FIXED income like ours is the fact that we are making as much retirement as we did working. Fixed and LOW, yeah, that is a problem, but there are a lot of us who are fixed "high".....
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I suppose you can't address those facts? I am sorry that I prove time and time again that socialized medicine works out to be cheaper.
    I'm sure you prove it all the time in your own mind. But like everywhere else, the lines get long, the quality drops.

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    We cut non military discretionary spending every time we need cuts. There isn't much room left. In fact, non military discretionary spending is easily the most streamlined budgetary item. If more cuts can be made without affecting the integrity of our most important programs, then fine, cut them. However, there is certainly some pork available in defense spending as well.
    No argument there - however I'd either cut defense last, or I'd cut across the board including welfare / social programs at a flat rate, say 20%.

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Then, of course, we can raise taxes back up to their already low rate before Bush took office, and gain even more money. We can slowly bring our troops home from over seas, and we can use that money to invest in our own infrastructure! That's sounds great to me.
    After cutting enough a tax increase wouldn't be needed.

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Man oh man. I wish I could live in another country as you and just let you do all that. I wish.
    Prior to FDR, we did live there... the EPA was only created under Carter post 1976. The Dept of Ed didn't exist until 1980 and children were arguably BETTER educated than they are now. THe FCC - 1930's. And people used radio's and telephones prior to that too. People lived, worked, loved and died all just fine without them, and can again.

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Then you could get screwed over by every business since all your government regulations just went out the window, you can forget about clean drinking water, lower pollution levels, progressive energy policy, and equal public schools.
    We do like they did in the old days when the water was polluted - boil the water and make beer. Public school issues belong at the state level. Progressive energy policy? Well - we can't cut down the power lines so the Energy Commission has to stay I guess but should be gutted and the power left to the states.

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I wish I could give that to you, but unfortunately, most people in this country don't agree with you.
    So most people want your way, which is more government control, less money in their pocket and more bureacracy? I don't think so.

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Most of us like our roads, we like our clean drinking water, we like our regulations that prevent unethical business practices, we like our education, and some of us would even like health care added onto that package.
    Some regulation is certainly needed --- about 25%-30% of what we have now.

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Maybe you can move to Texas and secede. I think you'd have the best chance there.
    I'm holding out for Montana or Wyoming - I'm not a hot weather person.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I'm sure you prove it all the time in your own mind. But like everywhere else, the lines get long, the quality drops.

    No argument there - however I'd either cut defense last, or I'd cut across the board including welfare / social programs at a flat rate, say 20%.

    After cutting enough a tax increase wouldn't be needed.

    Prior to FDR, we did live there... the EPA was only created under Carter post 1976. The Dept of Ed didn't exist until 1980 and children were arguably BETTER educated than they are now. THe FCC - 1930's. And people used radio's and telephones prior to that too. People lived, worked, loved and died all just fine without them, and can again.

    We do like they did in the old days when the water was polluted - boil the water and make beer. Public school issues belong at the state level. Progressive energy policy? Well - we can't cut down the power lines so the Energy Commission has to stay I guess but should be gutted and the power left to the states.

    So most people want your way, which is more government control, less money in their pocket and more bureacracy? I don't think so.

    Some regulation is certainly needed --- about 25%-30% of what we have now.

    I'm holding out for Montana or Wyoming - I'm not a hot weather person.
    Boil the water and make beer? No, boil the polluters and make dog food.....
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Do you mean the increased ethanol in gas requirement passed by the Republican controlled Congress and signed into law by President Bush?

    "The Energy Policy Act of 2005 (Pub.L. 109-58) is a bill passed by the United States Congress on July 29, 2005, and signed into law by President George W. Bush on August 8, 2005, at Sandia National Laboratories in Albuquerque, New Mexico."

    "the Act increases the amount of biofuel (usually ethanol) that must be mixed with gasoline sold in the United States to 4 billion gallons by 2006, 6.1 billion gallons by 2009 and 7.5 billion gallons by 2012"

    Energy Policy Act of 2005 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Which Obama wants to increase to 15%. Ethanol is a failed program yet Obama increases it


    EPA approves more ethanol in fuel for cars

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    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Because technically it will still be cheaper. Electricity is currently cheaper than oil. Also, that is why I was discussing moving our energy production more efficient and renewable as well.

    I don't see where anyone said trucks would become electric.
    That could change if Obama gts cap and trade

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    The rise in oil prices is going to have a huge effect on electricity rates, so if I were you, I would lock myself into a contract.

    Since I am not a hypocrite that says do as I say and not as I do, I am following my own advise. I just locked myself into 8 cents per kwh for 2 years with my provider. I was paying 12.9, so this is going to save me a boatload of money.
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    PTif does!



    Evidently you have not been around for the countless times Ptif has said that ethanol was forced on us by the GW crowd. That is who the facts were in response to.
    I did not say a political party. You are the one that wants to push what party did it. You forget to mention Harkins influence in all this

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