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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I didn't make the claim. If you can't back it up, it is hardly surprising!
    Then why ask for a list of regulations?


    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Translated to: I can't back up my claim so I will change the subject.
    Yeah thatís it. You act as though there are no government regulations adversely affecting the business sector or energy production and demand a list of these mythical regulations, whereupon being presented with a partial list of said regulations you further demand that they be broken down into details and when I choose ONE regulation to break down and discuss, you claim I am changing the subject. Yeah thatís it.


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    Because diversity of species and living systems are necessary for human development.
    Really? Species have been going extinct since the beginning of time yet human development has rolled along rather favorably for mankind in spite of it. How do you explain this?

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    We have a symbiotic relationship.
    We have a symbiotic relationship with nature in general, not with a few endangered species whose survival skills are so poorly developed they on the brink of extinction.

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    We have personal stake in protecting the environment. Without a healthy environment a healthy economy is not sustainable.
    So the environment would be harmed if the Sand Dune Lizard (Sceloporus arenicolus) were to go extinct? Is this really the argument you are making?

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Then why ask for a list of regulations?
    To back up your claim.

    Yeah thatís it. You act as though there are no government regulations adversely affecting the business sector or energy production and demand a list of these mythical regulations, whereupon being presented with a partial list of said regulations you further demand that they be broken down into details and when I choose ONE regulation to break down and discuss, you claim I am changing the subject. Yeah thatís it.
    What your provided earlier were health and environmental protection regulations. I want to see the specific regulations you contend the only purpose of which is to discourage oil production. Than you go on to ask why you should be concerned about extinction of species, without providing anything to back up your claim. Please try to focus.


    Really? Species have been going extinct since the beginning of time yet human development has rolled along rather favorably for mankind in spite of it. How do you explain this?
    I explain it with commonsense! Just because nature can cause brush fires, does not mean that man doesn't also start brush fires.

    We have a symbiotic relationship with nature in general, not with a few endangered species whose survival skills are so poorly developed they on the brink of extinction.
    The individual species are part of that symbiotic relationship. Not a big believer in conservation eh?

    So the environment would be harmed if the Sand Dune Lizard (Sceloporus arenicolus) were to go extinct? Is this really the argument you are making?
    I am not knowledgeable enough to know all of the interrelationships with the Sand Dune Lizard. What insects do they help reduce in number? How many other animals depend on Sand Dune Lizards for food? See what I mean about a symbiotic relationship.


    What is your main thrust here, are you trying to suggest that we should abandon health and environmental protection to satisfy your addiction to a declining fossil fuel, the burning of which is warming the planet and putting our health, the environment and the economy at risk?
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    From February,




    So as of Feb, Obama and his enviro-nuts within the government are slow tracking permitting through burdensome regulation, known as the BOEMRE. Wow, I am just shocked?

    Want more?



    The regulations that are strangling the oil industry are found here.

    Bureau of Ocean Energy Management, Regulation and Enforcement (BOEMRE): Regulatory Reform

    And it doesn't stop there. Remember his vow to the coal industry? Obama through his EPA thug Lisa Jackson is end running congress to accomplish that goal.



    So libs can play dumb about regulatory restraint that the administration is using all they want, but it is clear, and out there and the people see that.

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    After, the most deadly oil disaster in US history, I commend the administration for carefully reviewing new permit requests. I have no intention of abandoning health & safety regulations after so many died unnecessarily. What specific regulation do you think is too stringent?

    Regarding the other topic you just brought up. I also have no intention of supporting unnecessary air pollution.
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I want to see the specific regulations you contend the only purpose of which is to discourage oil production.
    Say what? “the only purpose of which..”? Get real.

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Say what? ďthe only purpose of which..Ē? Get real.

    The purpose of which is to back up your claim that there are regulations meant to restrict oil production. Still can't find anything eh?

    I see you also avoided addressing my question from above:

    "What is your main thrust here, are you trying to suggest that we should abandon health and environmental protection to satisfy your addiction to a declining fossil fuel, the burning of which is warming the planet and putting our health, the environment and the economy at risk?"
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    After, the most deadly oil disaster in US history, I commend the administration for carefully reviewing new permit requests. I have no intention of abandoning health & safety regulations after so many died unnecessarily. What specific regulation do you think is too stringent?

    Regarding the other topic you just brought up. I also have no intention of supporting unnecessary air pollution.
    I don't back the formation of the entire BOEMRE...It is Bull ****! there is already redundant regulatory bodies overseeing the industry. The only reason to form this sham of a destructive force is to tear down our own oil exploration, and production, making us dependent on foreign sources.

    Was Deep Horizon horrible? yes. Were some of the steps taken during and after by this administration ridiculous in nature as to the moving forward of the oil industry, you bet.

    Obama's clear agenda is to kill fossil fuel production in the US as a form of energy, without a viable substitute. That my friend is what I call purposely destroying this country, and Obama should be in prison for the rest of his life for attempting such.

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't back the formation of the entire BOEMRE...It is Bull ****! there is already redundant regulatory bodies overseeing the industry. The only reason to form this sham of a destructive force is to tear down our own oil exploration, and production, making us dependent on foreign sources.

    Was Deep Horizon horrible? yes. Were some of the steps taken during and after by this administration ridiculous in nature as to the moving forward of the oil industry, you bet.

    Obama's clear agenda is to kill fossil fuel production in the US as a form of energy, without a viable substitute. That my friend is what I call purposely destroying this country, and Obama should be in prison for the rest of his life for attempting such.

    j-mac
    This is an absurd argument. Even if we opened every square inch of land and sea to oil exploration, and revoked every safety regulation, we would still be dependent on foreign oil. We simply don't have enough reserves to be self sufficient, and we never will.

    One of the oil companies made a big deep sea find recently -- biggest discovery in a decade. Know how long we could run on that discovery, if every drop was extracted? No more than 30 days.

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't back the formation of the entire BOEMRE...It is Bull ****! there is already redundant regulatory bodies overseeing the industry.
    Obviously, there were not, or we wouldn't have had the largest oil spill in history now would we?


    Was Deep Horizon horrible? yes. Were some of the steps taken during and after by this administration ridiculous in nature as to the moving forward of the oil industry, you bet.

    Obama's clear agenda is to kill fossil fuel production in the US as a form of energy, without a viable substitute. That my friend is what I call purposely destroying this country, and Obama should be in prison for the rest of his life for attempting such.
    BS, oil production is higher now than anytime since 2003.
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