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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    gm moved 125 volts in july

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    While a good idea the volt has two major things wrong with it

    #1 price of the car is too expensive for most people, especially now.

    #2 there is no national charging infrastructure in place. For instance I can't drive cross country.

    With #2 that pretty much limits people who can even use the car as people that dont drive far and can charge their cars at night.

    It's all about being able to use what you buy. And yes, while you still have to pay for electricity it is domestic and not foreign.

    Most of the electric grid could handle at night charging as well.

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Isn't it funny how information that plays to one side of the argument is constantly given as fact, and anything disputing it is dismissed. The oil drum is a great example of this.

    So called Peak oil may exist in this nation, but only due to over burdensome regulation that hinders the exploitation of our own resource.

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    While a good idea the volt has two major things wrong with it

    #1 price of the car is too expensive for most people, especially now.

    #2 there is no national charging infrastructure in place. For instance I can't drive cross country.

    With #2 that pretty much limits people who can even use the car as people that dont drive far and can charge their cars at night.

    It's all about being able to use what you buy. And yes, while you still have to pay for electricity it is domestic and not foreign.

    Most of the electric grid could handle at night charging as well.
    your typical gas station can service hundreds of cars per hour if the fuel is liquid. You pull in, insert your credit card, fill up in about 5 to 10 minutes, go inside and whizz, buy more liquid caffiene, get back on the road and drive for 500 miles before needing more fuel.

    Want to guess what an equivalent electric battery charging station would look like ? The grid will need a lot more substations and AC to DC convertors. You pull in, plug your car in, and go somewhere on foot for several hours while your car charges. Then you come back, drive for a few hundred miles, and do it all over again. Batteries must be charged relatively slowly to prevent overheating them, which shortens their useful life.
    If you only refill ONCE per day, it will add hours to your travel time....
    I can drive 750 miles in 12.5 hours using gasoline. That is a LONG distance for batteries.
    But as a commuter car, local use only, they makes sense to own, and you can charge them at home, at night...and at work during the day if your employer sets up enough charging outlets...
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    One thing that has been suggested/looked at is the possibility of swapping batteries -- sort of like propane exchange. Obviously that would require a whole lot more uniformity and cooperation than we've seen to date.

    Also, it's a lot easier to install an electrical outlet than it is to install in-ground gas tanks. Charging outlets could be installed in parking garages, for instance.

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    your typical gas station can service hundreds of cars per hour if the fuel is liquid. You pull in, insert your credit card, fill up in about 5 to 10 minutes, go inside and whizz, buy more liquid caffiene, get back on the road and drive for 500 miles before needing more fuel.

    Want to guess what an equivalent electric battery charging station would look like ? The grid will need a lot more substations and AC to DC convertors. You pull in, plug your car in, and go somewhere on foot for several hours while your car charges. Then you come back, drive for a few hundred miles, and do it all over again. Batteries must be charged relatively slowly to prevent overheating them, which shortens their useful life.
    If you only refill ONCE per day, it will add hours to your travel time....
    I can drive 750 miles in 12.5 hours using gasoline. That is a LONG distance for batteries.
    But as a commuter car, local use only, they makes sense to own, and you can charge them at home, at night...and at work during the day if your employer sets up enough charging outlets...
    Not arguing, but some commercially available chemistries can be charged in minutes, not hours. The A123 cells for instance. Rated for 15 minute recharge. Does require 220 and a charger programmable to the cells charging profile, but its already being done.

    Just saying we're a bit farther along than you think. 15 minutes every couple hundred miles makes it competitive with gasoline at 5-10 minutes every couple hundred. Lots of other issues too with electrics, but I believe its the way to go.

    I'll read the thread before commenting further.

    (Oh, and the Volt is the first series hybrid) electric car with an onboard generator for longer trips.
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    One thing that has been suggested/looked at is the possibility of swapping batteries -- sort of like propane exchange. Obviously that would require a whole lot more uniformity and cooperation than we've seen to date.

    Also, it's a lot easier to install an electrical outlet than it is to install in-ground gas tanks. Charging outlets could be installed in parking garages, for instance.

    Might be a good time to get into the towing business with all the electric cars hitting the road. Carry a few batteries and charge them a service charge when they run out of juice.
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    One thing that has been suggested/looked at is the possibility of swapping batteries -- sort of like propane exchange. Obviously that would require a whole lot more uniformity and cooperation than we've seen to date.

    Also, it's a lot easier to install an electrical outlet than it is to install in-ground gas tanks. Charging outlets could be installed in parking garages, for instance.
    Chargers for the types of batteries being used in vehicles are actually fairly sophisticated and I don't know if there's any move to standardization, so it would be relatively expensive to install that many chargers. But I see a future in electricity "vending machines" plug in your adapter ,swipe your card, get a text when you're topped up.
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Not arguing, but some commercially available chemistries can be charged in minutes, not hours. The A123 cells for instance. Rated for 15 minute recharge. Does require 220 and a charger programmable to the cells charging profile, but its already being done.

    Just saying we're a bit farther along than you think. 15 minutes every couple hundred miles makes it competitive with gasoline at 5-10 minutes every couple hundred. Lots of other issues too with electrics, but I believe its the way to go.

    I'll read the thread before commenting further.

    (Oh, and the Volt is the first series hybrid) electric car with an onboard generator for longer trips.
    Commuters can also charge their electric cars at home from solar panels, which is my plan.
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