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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    I saw the other day that Transcanada has been trying for some time to get an oil pipeline to go across the US. Basically it would make a path from Cushing OK to the gulf. Its called the Keystone XL pipeline.This would do a lot to get rid of the huge spread between the WTI in cushing and Brent in Europe, but it has been held up by the EPA forever. Apparently several members of congress petitioned against it on the grounds that it would cause greenhouse gas emissions to jump. The irony of it is, now because of the huge spread in prices it is profitable to ship it via rail and truck. As if that does not emit and greenhouse gases...
    You can't make up how stupid this congress is.

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Exactly my point, and that's for just approaching peak oil. Think what the price will be like when get there in a couple more years!!!
    You sound like Trump, another conspiracy theory!

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Oil prices are not from peak oil.
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    Lies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    You sound like Trump, another conspiracy theory!
    I have referenced below expert documentation of approaching world peak oil:

    STRATEGIC ENERGY POLICY CHALLENGES
FOR THE 21ST CENTURY

    *
    Report of an Independent Task Force
Sponsored by the
James A. Baker III Institute for Public Policy of Rice University
and the
Council on Foreign Relations


    "That Americans face long-term situations such as frequent sporadic shortages of energy, energy price volatility, and higher energy prices is not the fault of President Bush. The failure to fashion a workable energy policy rests at the feet of both Democrats and Republicans. Both major political parties allowed energy policy to drift despite its centrality to America’s domestic economy and to national security. Energy policy was permitted to drift even though oil price spikes preceded virtually every American recession since the late 1940s. The American people must know about this situation and be told as well that there are no easy or quick solutions to today’s energy problems. The president has to begin educating the public about this reality and start building a broad base of popular support for the hard policy choices ahead."

    "If economic growth continues, price spikes and supply shortages could become widespread recurring events challenging expectations of free energy and making the United States appear more similar to a poor developing country."

    "As it is, national solutions alone cannot work. Politicians still speak of U.S. energy independence, while the United States is importing more than half of its oil supplies and may soon for the first time become reliant on sources outside North America for substantial amounts of natural gas. More flexible environmental regulation and opening of more federal lands to drilling might slow but cannot stop this process. Dependence is so incredibly large, and growing so inexorably, that national autonomy is simply not a viable goal. In the global economy, it may not even be a desirable one."
    STRATEGIC ENERGY POLICY CHALLENGES

    "The US military has warned that surplus oil production capacity could disappear within two years and there could be serious shortages by 2015 with a significant economic and political impact."
    US military warns oil output may dip causing massive shortages by 2015 | Business | The Guardian


    What experts do you refererence that dispute we are approaching world peak oil?
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I have referenced below expert documentation of approaching world peak oil:

    STRATEGIC ENERGY POLICY CHALLENGES
FOR THE 21ST CENTURY

    *
    Report of an Independent Task Force
Sponsored by the
James A. Baker III Institute for Public Policy of Rice University
and the
Council on Foreign Relations


    "That Americans face long-term situations such as frequent sporadic shortages of energy, energy price volatility, and higher energy prices is not the fault of President Bush. The failure to fashion a workable energy policy rests at the feet of both Democrats and Republicans. Both major political parties allowed energy policy to drift despite its centrality to America’s domestic economy and to national security. Energy policy was permitted to drift even though oil price spikes preceded virtually every American recession since the late 1940s. The American people must know about this situation and be told as well that there are no easy or quick solutions to today’s energy problems. The president has to begin educating the public about this reality and start building a broad base of popular support for the hard policy choices ahead."

    "If economic growth continues, price spikes and supply shortages could become widespread recurring events challenging expectations of free energy and making the United States appear more similar to a poor developing country."

    "As it is, national solutions alone cannot work. Politicians still speak of U.S. energy independence, while the United States is importing more than half of its oil supplies and may soon for the first time become reliant on sources outside North America for substantial amounts of natural gas. More flexible environmental regulation and opening of more federal lands to drilling might slow but cannot stop this process. Dependence is so incredibly large, and growing so inexorably, that national autonomy is simply not a viable goal. In the global economy, it may not even be a desirable one."
    STRATEGIC ENERGY POLICY CHALLENGES

    "The US military has warned that surplus oil production capacity could disappear within two years and there could be serious shortages by 2015 with a significant economic and political impact."
    US military warns oil output may dip causing massive shortages by 2015 | Business | The Guardian


    What experts do you refererence that dispute we are approaching world peak oil?
    Oil prices are not caused by your conspiracy

    Why Are Gas Prices Are So High - What Makes Gas Prices High

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Oil prices are not caused by your conspiracy

    Why Are Gas Prices Are So High - What Makes Gas Prices High
    From your article:

    "Why Are Gas Prices So High?:
    The main reason for high gas prices are high crude oil prices."

    Thanks!
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I have referenced below expert documentation of approaching world peak oil:

    STRATEGIC ENERGY POLICY CHALLENGES
FOR THE 21ST CENTURY

    *
    Report of an Independent Task Force
Sponsored by the
James A. Baker III Institute for Public Policy of Rice University
and the
Council on Foreign Relations


    "That Americans face long-term situations such as frequent sporadic shortages of energy, energy price volatility, and higher energy prices is not the fault of President Bush. The failure to fashion a workable energy policy rests at the feet of both Democrats and Republicans. Both major political parties allowed energy policy to drift despite its centrality to America’s domestic economy and to national security. Energy policy was permitted to drift even though oil price spikes preceded virtually every American recession since the late 1940s. The American people must know about this situation and be told as well that there are no easy or quick solutions to today’s energy problems. The president has to begin educating the public about this reality and start building a broad base of popular support for the hard policy choices ahead."

    "If economic growth continues, price spikes and supply shortages could become widespread recurring events challenging expectations of free energy and making the United States appear more similar to a poor developing country."

    "As it is, national solutions alone cannot work. Politicians still speak of U.S. energy independence, while the United States is importing more than half of its oil supplies and may soon for the first time become reliant on sources outside North America for substantial amounts of natural gas. More flexible environmental regulation and opening of more federal lands to drilling might slow but cannot stop this process. Dependence is so incredibly large, and growing so inexorably, that national autonomy is simply not a viable goal. In the global economy, it may not even be a desirable one."
    STRATEGIC ENERGY POLICY CHALLENGES

    "The US military has warned that surplus oil production capacity could disappear within two years and there could be serious shortages by 2015 with a significant economic and political impact."
    US military warns oil output may dip causing massive shortages by 2015 | Business | The Guardian


    What experts do you refererence that dispute we are approaching world peak oil?
    How about the finding by Hess Oil just today that an area they have been exploring has just found it holds 3 billion barrels of oil. Or Boone Pickens on TV this morning talking about the amount of nat gas we have in the U.S. which he estimates at 7 QUADRILLION BTUs. He says the low side others have estimated at 3 Quadrillion. Somewhere between 50-100 year supply of natural gas. Just a couple of examples. Why do you think nat gas is selling at such a low price.

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    How about the finding by Hess Oil just today that an area they have been exploring has just found it holds 3 billion barrels of oil. Or Boone Pickens on TV this morning talking about the amount of nat gas we have in the U.S. which he estimates at 7 QUADRILLION BTUs. He says the low side others have estimated at 3 Quadrillion. Somewhere between 50-100 year supply of natural gas. Just a couple of examples. Why do you think nat gas is selling at such a low price.
    3 billion barrels will not have any effect on peak oil, and it looks like Hess oil agrees with the other experts on peak oil:

    “As demand grows in the next decade, we will not have the oil production capacity we will need to meet demand,” Chief Executive Officer John B. Hess said in a speech at CERAWeek, a Houston conference held by IHS Cambridge Energy Research Associates. “The $140-per-barrel oil price of three years ago was not an aberration — it was a warning."
    Head of Hess oil sees global energy crisis ahead, unless steps are taken now | projo.com | The Providence Journal projoCars |

    "The U.S. should consider raising federal gasoline taxes to $1 a gallon and boosting average fuel economy to 50 miles a gallon to help avert a global energy crisis, the head of oil company Hess Corp. said.

    Natural gas is also not a factor in peak oil.

    Is this your entire case to present against the experts who have determined we are approaching peak oil?
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    From your article:

    "Why Are Gas Prices So High?:
    The main reason for high gas prices are high crude oil prices."

    Thanks!
    Why do you take it out of context?

    Oil prices normally rise when demand is greater than supply. However, in 2011, high oil prices were caused by investors' fears about unrest in Libya and Egypt. Even before that, oil prices were steadily rising, as commodities traders took bet against a declining dollar, and bought gold and futures contracts. These are agreements to buy or sell oil at a specific date in the future at a specific price. Commodities traders can create a self-fulfilling prophecy by bidding up oil futures prices. Once this starts, it can create an asset bubble.

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Why do you take it out of context?

    Oil prices normally rise when demand is greater than supply. However, in 2011, high oil prices were caused by investors' fears about unrest in Libya and Egypt. Even before that, oil prices were steadily rising, as commodities traders took bet against a declining dollar, and bought gold and futures contracts. These are agreements to buy or sell oil at a specific date in the future at a specific price. Commodities traders can create a self-fulfilling prophecy by bidding up oil futures prices. Once this starts, it can create an asset bubble.
    Yep, when supplies are low, the slighest little thing can cause prices to go up. That is what approaching peak oil looks like. Like your article states, "Like most of the things you buy, oil prices are affected by supply and demand."

    There are many factors that can create spikes in prices sure, like commodity traders and M.E. unrest, but the underlying main factor is the demand approaching the level of supply.

    Your article concludes: "The only real way to lower gas prices is to lower demand for gas and oil over a long period of time. This would work, since the U.S. consumes 25% of the world's oil. This has increased over the last 20 years, from 15 million barrels per day (bpd) to 20.7 million bpd. A concerted effort might convince commodities traders, who have driven oil prices up 25% in the first quarter of 2008, that oil was a bad investment, thus allowing oil prices to return to pre-bubble levels. "
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "The U.S. should consider raising federal gasoline taxes to $1 a gallon and boosting average fuel economy to 50 miles a gallon to help avert a global energy crisis, the head of oil company Hess Corp. said.
    fine, but when do you expect barack the slasher to call harry

    and what's pryor gonna say, casey, brown, stabenow, conrad...

    they're gonna be a problem, dontcha think

    oh well, party on, class warrior

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