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Thread: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Post a credible link that states Obama denied a refinery permit
    The Obama Administration’s War On Oil: Refinery Permits Are Being Pulled | Chandler's Watch

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    From Utah Bill's link post #999:

    In 1982 - 301 operable oil refineries processing 17.9 million barrels of oil per day.
    Today - 149 refineries processing 17.4 million barrels.


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    How do you think they got the same output with fewer physical facilities. Expansion and efficiency. This began in the '80s by shutting down facilities that were incapable of being upgraded for downstream processing and/or 'debottlenecking' or were unable to meet environmental requirements or commercial requirements while expanding and making the remaining facilities more efficient.

    Over that time, the facility I worked for doubled it's unleaded gasoline production and just before I left they added a new crude still, a new coker and a sulphur plant. Other companies were doing the same thing. No new refineries were built, but capacity kept up with demand.

    The 'no new refineries built since..', is nothing but a 'fits on a bumper sticker talking point' championed by the 'drill baby drill' crowd.

    In refining, except in rare instances, the run doesn't exceed capacity.

    This link is to a graph to explain what I'm talking about. Although it only goes up to 2004, it also go back to 1973 to show the history of the U.S. having the capacity to process the crude it needs.

    U.S. Refining Capacity, Crude Runs, and Utilization Rate
    The process to build a new refinery is costly and time consuming. Much of the problem is environmentalists tie it up in court and the permits process is time consuming and expensive

    CorpWatch*:*US: No New Refineries in 29 Years

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Well one thing most people don't realize is most countries, the price of gas is far more than what ours is due to their full reliance on getting it from OPEC countries and these countries regulate. Our prices are driven up by OPEC cost as a way to stay competitive and to me that is very annoying. If you look at any country that gets all of their oil from their own country, their gas prices are dramatically lower, some, Saudi Arabia for example pay $1USD or less per gallon. Since we have a mix of foreign and domestic I think that is what still keeps us down below the international average for gas prices. You also have to consider that what has happened in Japan, and the recent uprisings in the Middle East make the market nervous and they will of course, artificially inflate the price.

    I think that it should be a goal of any president for as long as I live to completely eliminate the need for oil from foreign country, and reduce our overall dependency of it as well. A bad side effect of that of course, is less money to be made so these companies will raise the prices of the gas with cars that get 50MPG coming down the line, and several cars within the next 5 years won't even depend on gas.
    We don't get most of our oil from OPEC

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That was our goal in the 70's. We had a plan to make us free from foreign oil dependence. That plan was scrapped by Reagan as soon as he came into office, and we passed peak oil in this country in 1971. This administration has provided more funding for development of alternatives to foreign oil than any other in history. We actually have someone now as the head of the energy department that is a scientist and not a politician. There is much to be hopeful about but we must realize we are starting 40 years later than we should have. Now that we are facing World peak oil in the next few years, we had better learn to adapt quickly, or it is going to be a very bumpy ride.
    I would disagree since no new refineries since 1976

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Why, are you a trailer park Republican?
    Are you a trailer park democrat?

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Nope, but I am smarter than a trailer park Republican. How about you?



    Nope, but I do have a bicycle and two feet. How about you?
    I am smarter. I have a Harley Davidson annd burn ethanol free. Ethanol lowers MPG which meanns you use more gas. I thought you wanted us to use less

    Ethanol

    E10 (gasohol)

    E10 (also called “gasohol”) is a blend of 10% ethanol and 90% gasoline sold in many parts of the country. All auto manufacturers approve the use of blends of 10% ethanol or less in their gasoline vehicles. However, vehicles will typically go 3–4% fewer miles per gallon on E10 than on straight gasoline.1

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    My carbon footprint is a fraction of yours which means that I both spend less money on energy than you do and I better protect the environment for future generations. I leave it to others to determine if that is wise or foolish.
    Sorry ethanol that is used cost more and lowers MPG so you are using more because of the EPA and enviromentalists that force us to use it

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    you mean figment?
    No, I do not mean figment. "Figment of the imagination" would require quotes, no quotes. A filament is the tungsten wire in light bulbs that radiates light in the visible spectrum when heated by an electric current. You've seen light bulbs over people's heads to show a bright new idea. Ergo, filament of the imagination. Original quote by DaveFagan

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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    No, I do not mean figment. "Figment of the imagination" would require quotes, no quotes. A filament is the tungsten wire in light bulbs that radiates light in the visible spectrum when heated by an electric current. You've seen light bulbs over people's heads to show a bright new idea. Ergo, filament of the imagination. Original quote by DaveFagan
    Original, perhaps.....might be a good reason for that...
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    Re: Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

    Your blog does not back up your claim that Obama has denied a refinery permit. Your blog refers to air pollution violations of air permits of existing refineries.

    "EPA Regional Administrator Al Armendariz said none of the facilities will be required to shut down but all will be required to obtain new permits under stricter guidelines."
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