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    Re: U.K. Pressured Scots to Release Lockerbie Bomber Out of Concern for Oil Deal, Rep

    I will only note that I strongly disagreed with the release at the time and still do. Moreover, Mr. al-Megrahi's "defying" the medical prognosis raises some questions about whether the prognosis was merely a convenient cover for his release so as to minimize the political fallout of such a move. To resolve legal issues, I believe the normal appeals process should have been pursued.

    On the larger point of national interests, if the UK felt that it was acting in a fashion that served its national interests, I can and do respect the UK for its willingness to pursue its interests. Of course, decisions made in the pursuit of national interests can be far from perfect and can also be erroneous. Nonetheless, nations do pursue their interests, and one cannot expect the UK or any other state to be an exception. Finally, even close allies can have some divergence in interests in some areas. But over all, the convicted terrorist's release is largely inconsequential in the larger scheme of interests and values that are shared between the UK and U.S.

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    Re: U.K. Pressured Scots to Release Lockerbie Bomber Out of Concern for Oil Deal, Rep

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Provided he was guilty of course. Chances are he was not and would have walked on retrial because US mishandling of the evidence and witnesses.
    If he was truely innocent then let him prove it. It is innocent until proven guilty not innocent even after proven guilty.

    Most UK citizens hit by the attack and their relatives believe that he was innocent. Hell many worked for years to get a retrial.
    Was everyone one of these people asked or did they just survey a small percentage? And even if they were this still does not change the fact the UK basically left a deuce on the victims of that terrorist.


    Unlike the 3000 Americans killed in Iraq over a personal vendetta by your President? Funny how this is a huge problem, but the fact that your President lied to the American people is not.. hypocrites.


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    Oh boy another Leftist version of a Birther-tard. This war is for oil, Bush stole the elections, Bush went Awol, Bush is a e-vile dictator, Bush is a war monger, This war is for Haliburton, Bush lied people died. When will you people grow up and quit believing conspiracy retards? Bush did not lie.Every practically politician even before Bush was in office said Saddam had WMDs, Saddam has a history of using WMDs, WMDs were found in Iraq(according to wikileaks), Saddam made everyone think he had WMDs. So logic would dictate that Saddam had WMDs. Why is that hard for you to conspiracy loons to understand that? I know Bush is supposedly a conservative so you will buy what ever some loony leftist conspiracy-tard says about Bush?
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    Re: U.K. Pressured Scots to Release Lockerbie Bomber Out of Concern for Oil Deal, Rep

    Shame on the UK. I suspected this from the beginning. Have they not any honor and respect for the victims of that bloodthirsty animal? Yet many want to accuse the US of corruptly warring for oil that we do not receive... Shame on the United Kingdom. This should be made right, especially for the families of those impacted by the released terrorist.
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    Re: U.K. Pressured Scots to Release Lockerbie Bomber Out of Concern for Oil Deal, Rep

    The US as well as every other country has made deals with "less than honorable" reputations and motives. But no Jamesrage I can't think of an occasion where the US specifically released a terrorist, that killed only Americans, for an oil deal, or whatever other additives you want to throw in there.

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    Re: U.K. Pressured Scots to Release Lockerbie Bomber Out of Concern for Oil Deal, Rep

    Other nationalities died, though not at Libya's hand, not least the people of Lockerbie. Libya was suddenly blamed because the US found it expedient.
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    The release of the Libyan is ammunition for those of us who seek destruction of the special relationship with the UK. We can point to it as evidence of British bad faith. Britain is worthless to America.

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    Re: U.K. Pressured Scots to Release Lockerbie Bomber Out of Concern for Oil Deal, Rep

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post


    US going to pretend it has a right to bitch at other countries doing deals for oil?

    Now go suck up to another dictator which stones women for oil
    Pretty much this, to the OP. This is the endthread right here.

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    Re: U.K. Pressured Scots to Release Lockerbie Bomber Out of Concern for Oil Deal, Rep

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    The US as well as every other country has made deals with "less than honorable" reputations and motives. But no Jamesrage I can't think of an occasion where the US specifically released a terrorist, that killed only Americans, for an oil deal, or whatever other additives you want to throw in there.
    Are you trying to pretend that a dictator harming his own people is the same as releasing a terrorist who has killed your fellow countrymen? These two things are not equal. One is a kick in the teeth to your fellow countrymen that were murdered by that terrorist. The other is not.
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    Re: U.K. Pressured Scots to Release Lockerbie Bomber Out of Concern for Oil Deal, Rep

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Are you trying to pretend that a dictator harming his own people is the same as releasing a terrorist who has killed your fellow countrymen? These two things are not equal. One is a kick in the teeth to your fellow countrymen that were murdered by that terrorist. The other is not.
    They are no the same, but they are both questionably moral, that's my point. As to which is more questionably immoral, I don't know it I suppose it depends on the context. However whats important is that both the US and UK, along with all nations, have made difficult choices when the cost of strictly following their own stated principles and values has proved too high. Now of course I doubt its possible to argue the UK was facing a situation here where they faced serious consequences if they didn't get this deal, which is why I don't agree with the UK's decisions. But I don't really know much about the details of the situation.

    Also, even though I agree you're stance, I'm a little put off by your extreme over-reaction to the meaning of this event. Specifically the "The next step for the British Government is to install toilets and urinals on the Lockerbie Bomber's victims graves and sell tickets to terrorist sympathizers and terrorists" statements.

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    Re: U.K. Pressured Scots to Release Lockerbie Bomber Out of Concern for Oil Deal, Rep

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    They are no the same, but they are both questionably moral, that's my point. As to which is more questionably immoral, I don't know it I suppose it depends on the context.
    If you are a patriotic/nationalist then you know that releasing a terrorist who murdered your fellow countrymen in exchange for a oil/trade deal is way more immoral that doing a trade deal with a country that so far has not physically hurt your fellow countrymen. I am pretty sure that had politicians in the US sold the victims of a terrorist out for a trade deal with that terrorist home country then those politician would be tarred and feathered in the media, possibly lynched and they most definitely not have job in politics anymore.


    Also, even though I agree you're stance, I'm a little put off by your extreme over-reaction to the meaning of this event. Specifically the "The next step for the British Government is to install toilets and urinals on the Lockerbie Bomber's victims graves and sell tickets to terrorist sympathizers and terrorists" statements.
    You do not think releasing the terrorist for BS reasons in exchange for a oil deal is pissing on the victims of that terrorist? The British government might as well be installing urinals and toilets on the graves of the victims and selling tickets to terrorist sympathizers and terrorists. The UK basically said "F-YOU Lockerbie Bomber victims".
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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