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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Nice propaganda and appeal to emotion. Care to make a logical argument instead?
    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Which is why emotion should never override logic. A law should never be passed to "right" a past "wrong" or revenge an act. That is why the Adam Walsh Act has been proven unconstitutional in many states, and is being challenged in many othes. Sorry AS, I am totally against you on this one. Just as I am against the Patriot act which was passed on emotion and not logic, this is too. I think Florida will lose, and lose a lot of money, on this. They will be made fools of.

    The man wrote a book. I can write a book on anything I want to, protected by the first amendment. No book has ever caused someone to commit a crime, it is an inanimate object. The person commits the crime, not the book.

    What if a child molester says that the show "America's Got Talent" made him do it when he saw a child perform on stage? You gonna go after AGT? Or, since you don't see much connection, AGT is ok? See where this goes? It's a slippery slope.
    Actually - it seems that I'm the only unemotional one in this entire thread - and at this moment I'm still unemotional and can discuss it logically and soundly with you.
    But my post wasn't actually in response to the OP - but more so to others who were being emotional.

    If you'd like to know my view on the op in a very unemotional way it's really very generalized:
    "Anytime someone authors or produces a work that instructs another on how to commit an illegal act that person risks liability and scrutiny which is compounded if a recipient of their work actually acts on the knowledge given to engage in illegal activity - and possibly will face charges depending on the severity of the crime or action being suggested or encouraged and enabled.

    If one such person doesn't want liability and scrutiny - and to possibly be found aiding and abedding (among other things) perhaps they should think twice."


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    Now - if you're worried about logic VS emotion - you should be fine with charges being brought against the author in question.
    You should support this going to litigation.
    After an intensive period of investigation, discovery, and pre-trial procedings there will be plenty of time to research vairous sources and actually discover the extent of his intentions and possible knowledge and own actions.
    Then, in a court of law, he should have his chance to prove his innocence. His lawyer will argue his case, the opposing lawyer will argue his view - and a jury will convene and judge.

    This is how our legal system does work - this is the purpose of it.

    There's a vast series of checks and balances within the legal system designed to minimize the cost of litigation, to speed up the process, and to make it fair and thorough so, hopefuly, if one is *not* guilty - they will be found as such.

    Then the judgment - whatever it may be - will stand unless there's a fault in the functioning and application of law - in which case he might be able to appeal the ruling, if it's not in his favor.

    If you're worried about logic then you should at least expect the course of law to be properly upheld throughout the duration of this situation.

    If you're truly confident that he has committed no wrongs - then him going to court over this issue shouldn't be that big of a deal. It might lead to a landmark case in favor or your view you're holding.

    So - since we've dawned our Vulcan ears - isn't a chance to prove one's innocence in court when accused or suspected of a foul the logical solution to this situation?
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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Ok, check it.

    While I love freedom of speech and encourage it, there are limits. For example, you can go and talk about killing, but you take it to a different level when you are serious and talk about actually killing a person or a group of people.
    Nope. Things like The Anarchist Cookbook and The Poor Man's James Bond have been legal for quite some time, and have withstood assault from people trying to ban them. It's the same thing. They tell of all sorts of illegal things, including deadly deadly traps and the like. Self-defense manuals can have lethal moves, etc. It is just that in this case it happens to be pedophilia and people react emotionally to it. But if you look at other information which can convey dangerous or "deadly" information, it's all been legal and upheld to scrutiny for a long time. There is no emotionless argument which can damn the likes of this book while adhering to previous rulings and other legal books which contain dangerous or "deadly" or illegal information
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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Kev, what happened with your neighbor is certainly a tragedy. As for "proximity to child abuse" being a qualifier, I will put forth my credentials in that Megan Kanka, the namesake of "Megan's Law", was a student in my youngest's Elementary School in NJ at the time, lived a mile from me, and her body was dumped in Mercer County Park, a large park across the street from where I lived at the time. I now live in Florida, and as I mentioned earlier, Grady Judd is my County Sheriff. He is the Sheriff who, from Florida, issued the arrest warrant for Phillip Greaves, resident of Pueblo, Colorado. The "jurisdiction" relies on the mail-order purchase of one book, shipped to Florida.

    All you folks bitching about some here seeing this as a "freedom of speech" issue, and in fact chastising those who don't want this jerk Greaves locked up, etc., are being near fully blind to the facts here. As heinous as you may think this is, and as much as you might despise this jerk Reaves, have you pondered why only one county in the U.S. issued an arrest warrant ? His home state did not. The feds did not. So rather than bitch at some of us pointing out the obvious, that this is far from a slam dunk violation of any law, why not consider the issue before us, which is the Law, or lack of the Law, by which this man is guilty of "breaking the law".

    Being a disgusting puke is not against the Law. At every threshold of violation of God-given rights will be situations and examples that might make you want to wretch. It is not the fault of the posters who point this out.
    Points well taken. As another qualifier, I was the victim of childhood sexual abuse at age 11, by a 17 year old pig, and I am probably much too close to this. I can only say this: It utterly destroys lives from the inside out. Seriously, that's all I can say.

    If you have noticed, there is one more disconnect for me here. The people demanding 1st amendment rights for this person (okay, fine), are the same people screaming about eliminating the 1st amendment rights they disagree with. I don't get it and that's where I go crazy. From Islam to Wikileaks, there is no consistency in their logic. Ugh.
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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Kev316 View Post
    The people demanding 1st amendment rights for this person (okay, fine), are the same people screaming about eliminating the 1st amendment rights they disagree with.
    Incorrect. Wheter I agree with the information or not, I will defend the rights and liberties of the individual regardless of cost and consequence.
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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Incorrect. Wheter I agree with the information or not, I will defend the rights and liberties of the individual regardless of cost and consequence.
    Lol... Painted with too broad a brush. Sorry. Should have said, "Often, these are the same people..."
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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    If you'd like to know my view on the op in a very unemotional way it's really very generalized:
    "Anytime someone authors or produces a work that instructs another on how to commit an illegal act that person risks liability and scrutiny which is compounded if a recipient of their work actually acts on the knowledge given to engage in illegal activity - and possibly will face charges depending on the severity of the crime or action being suggested or encouraged and enabled.
    There are plenty of books that describe how to commit heinous crimes...from Agatha Christie murder mysteries, to Nabakov's Lolita, to the 9/11 Commission Report, to the Bible. Should they all be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker
    If one such person doesn't want liability and scrutiny - and to possibly be found aiding and abedding (among other things) perhaps they should think twice."
    That has quite a chilling effect on freedom of speech. No one should have to think twice about exercising their constitutional rights due to intimidation from the government or other citizens.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker
    Now - if you're worried about logic VS emotion - you should be fine with charges being brought against the author in question.
    You should support this going to litigation.
    After an intensive period of investigation, discovery, and pre-trial procedings there will be plenty of time to research vairous sources and actually discover the extent of his intentions and possible knowledge and own actions.
    Then, in a court of law, he should have his chance to prove his innocence. His lawyer will argue his case, the opposing lawyer will argue his view - and a jury will convene and judge.

    This is how our legal system does work - this is the purpose of it.
    No, that's not how our legal system should work. If the facts of the case are not in dispute, but the accused person is not guilty as a matter of law, then the charges should never be filed in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker
    If you're truly confident that he has committed no wrongs - then him going to court over this issue shouldn't be that big of a deal. It might lead to a landmark case in favor or your view you're holding.
    Except this isn't really an area of law that is in dispute; you are simply on the wrong side of it. There have ALREADY been landmark cases in favor of freedom of speech (see: Brandenburg v. Ohio) and the Supreme Court is not likely to continue to revisit the issue on a case-by-case basis when they've already made their position pretty clear.
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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Being a disgusting puke is not against the Law. At every threshold of violation of God-given rights will be situations and examples that might make you want to wretch. It is not the fault of the posters who point this out.
    That's what this thread is all about, basically. People have a right to make bad choices, but breaking a law, no. I can write a book about how to murder. Am I going to be arrested to? Are you saying that child abuse is worse than murder?

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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    This isn't merely being on the wrong side of public opinion on an emotionally-charged issue. This is being on the wrong side of the law.

    When embeciles can't see the difference between an issue of free speech and one's right to teach others how to molest children, it's time to pack it in.
    It's less effective when you misspell imbeciles.

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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    It's less effective when you misspell imbeciles.
    Hahaha, too true.
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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    That's what this thread is all about, basically. People have a right to make bad choices, but breaking a law, no. I can write a book about how to murder. Am I going to be arrested to? Are you saying that child abuse is worse than murder?
    I would say yes, child abuse is worse than murder on many levels. Murder is one and done; sexual abuse is the gift that keeps on giving - every day of your life 'til you die with a brain that's been put through a blender. People have no idea... Seriously, no idea what these people go through their entire lives.
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