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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Ok, people, firstly, defending the notion that this guy is protected under freedom of speech is not the same as advocating that he actually engage in the speech he has chosen. Did you actually enter adulthood thinking freedom was ALL sunshine and roses? It's costs are many and varied.

    Secondly, everything that is likely to be in this book can probably be found by reading certain psychology books. Are you advocating that those authors also be arrested? Those books, I am quite certain, have led to the abuse of children, too, probably to a far greater extent than this book. Yet, these books are written with the ultimate goal of protecting children. So, if he had started out the book with the first sentence being "This book is written as a how to book, but is meant to help parents and others in authority help their children guard against predators", would you suddenly consider the work to be under constitutional protection?
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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    OK, suppose that the guy had wrote a book telling people what areas of a city they could visit if they wanted to find a prostitute...or how to behave if the police find your stash of pot. Off with his head?

    I'm curious as to what you mean by "teaching others how to molest children." That's rather vague. What exactly did he write about that you think warrants a prison sentence?
    Your first paragraph gave me pause. So I read some more....

    Greaves has been charged with distribution of obscene material depicting minors engaged in conduct harmful to minors.
    Apparently some here (and everywhere) think that the right of free speech is so damn sacrosanct that common sense should be thrown to the wind. Well, I don't.

    I would think the same about a book that gave explicit instructions on how to destroy the U.S. power grid and put us in the dark for 3 months, by the way. Different subject. Same common sense approach.
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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Ok, people, firstly, defending the notion that this guy is protected under freedom of speech is not the same as advocating that he actually engage in the speech he has chosen. Did you actually enter adulthood thinking freedom was ALL sunshine and roses? It's costs are many and varied.
    No one said it was the same did they?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Secondly, everything that is likely to be in this book can probably be found by reading certain psychology books. Are you advocating that those authors also be arrested? Those books, I am quite certain, have led to the abuse of children, too, probably to a far greater extent than this book. Yet, these books are written with the ultimate goal of protecting children. So, if he had started out the book with the first sentence being "This book is written as a how to book, but is meant to help parents and others in authority help their children guard against predators", would you suddenly consider the work to be under constitutional protection?
    And everything that Assaunge published via wikileaks could have been gotten through various other reporters over time.

    And yet, Assaunge is demonized for exercising his freedom of speech/press while this guy gets a pass. I see that as nothing more than hypocritical in the extreme.
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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Exposing state secrets = a crime that is illegal for good reason
    Writing about objectionable topics and informing people of their own rights = freedom of speech
    And yet reporters find out confidential and classified information all the time and publish it...just not as much all at once. That is the ONLYdifference between what you would call a normal reporter and Assaunge. Assaunge is just apparently better at it, probably because he doesn't do fluff pieces like X dog won the blue ribbon at the dog show.

    Also does Assaunge not have the same protections? Freedom of Speech AND Freedom of the Press? Apparently, to you, he doesn't. So, why is it that you are so selective in your application of the Bill of Rights? Even to the point of letting this guy publish a how to guide on pedophilia?
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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    I try not to get twisted up in knots over what the pro-pedos believe.

    These individuals who are pro-pedo haven't actually been NEGATIVELY affected by pedophilia - they have no sense of direction on the issue and don't grasp the impact that such people's actions and obsessions actually have on others.

    If their kids were molested - they'd be going for the gullet.
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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    All these morally charged posters who think this guy needs to be locked up, and the key thrown away, as he is obviously the slime of the earth ...... OK, the guy is scum by just about all standards.

    But where is the outrage, and I have some, that my Sheriff, Grady Judd, down here in Polk County, FL, largest city Lakeland, is apparently the only County with the laws, and the Sheriff, to enforce justice on this perp ? Last time I checked, we aren't the designated maybe-its-child-porn prosectutorial arm of the United States ! While Grady is highly respected down here, and tough as nails, I am miffed as to why we're taking on the cost of cases like this that will surely attract the ACLU and other competent defense groups, while the rest of the country does what ? Says "Thank God someone had a law" ?

    The case is also weak according to many legal scholars.

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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    He was arrested in the state of Florida, because they have a law strictly stating that it is illegal to depict children in the manner his book did.. But they said he might not be able to be arrested in the other 49 states, depending on their laws.
    Well there are lots of retarded laws. The problem specifically in this case is that people rely on emotional arguments when it comes to pedophilia. As a result, we have constructed overreaching laws and improper government action. The fact that people would try to attack a book is a bit ridiculous. In the end it's a book and while it seems that Florida sucks balls, at least in the other 49 states he probably couldn't have been arrested.

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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I try not to get twisted up in knots over what the pro-pedos believe.

    These individuals who are pro-pedo haven't actually been NEGATIVELY affected by pedophilia - they have no sense of direction on the issue and don't grasp the impact that such people's actions and obsessions actually have on others.

    If their kids were molested - they'd be going for the gullet.
    Nice propaganda and appeal to emotion. Care to make a logical argument instead?
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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Here cops often lure people into their jurisdiction in online stings... promising sex with an underage person.. What is the different here? All things aside.. I am just talking about getting jurisdiction
    I think that is nothing short of entrapment and should NOT be allowed in any circumstance. Entrapment is most certainly something the People should be protected from. It's like that "to catch a Predator" show where they set up situations pretending to be a kid and did all they could to get someone to come over, and then had them arrested. I do not know how that could even be considered legal. It's so clearly entrapment. But people are so emotional about this topic that they'll excuse excessive government and improper action by the authority. And that is truly sickening.
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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I try not to get twisted up in knots over what the pro-pedos believe.

    These individuals who are pro-pedo haven't actually been NEGATIVELY affected by pedophilia - they have no sense of direction on the issue and don't grasp the impact that such people's actions and obsessions actually have on others.

    If their kids were molested - they'd be going for the gullet.
    Which is why emotion should never override logic. A law should never be passed to "right" a past "wrong" or revenge an act. That is why the Adam Walsh Act has been proven unconstitutional in many states, and is being challenged in many othes. Sorry AS, I am totally against you on this one. Just as I am against the Patriot act which was passed on emotion and not logic, this is too. I think Florida will lose, and lose a lot of money, on this. They will be made fools of.

    The man wrote a book. I can write a book on anything I want to, protected by the first amendment. No book has ever caused someone to commit a crime, it is an inanimate object. The person commits the crime, not the book.

    What if a child molester says that the show "America's Got Talent" made him do it when he saw a child perform on stage? You gonna go after AGT? Or, since you don't see much connection, AGT is ok? See where this goes? It's a slippery slope.

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