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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I haven't read the book, so I'll assume for the sake of argument it actually seeks to teach people how to target and sexually abuse children.

    You know what I find interesting?

    How many people are dead-set on being disgusted by this book -- rather than viewing it as an opportunity to learn lessons on how to better protect vulnerable children from the very type of person who seeks to abuse them. Any electronic intrusion, criminal justice or terrorism expert can learn volumes from the maintenance manuals and technical documentation published by his targets. Why is this any different?

    Why is it that we can't be adult enough to look past the shock and see the strategic value of a document like this?
    Well, that is a good point that you are trying to make.. but in all honesty these people are not just weird anti social men who are easily spotted, they can be fathers of the children they abuse. Sometimes the abuse can start so early the child doesn't have a chance, and thinks it's normal. They only learn that it is later inappropriate to not "play" that way, when they try doing it with other people. I know of incest happening in families, when the child tells somebody else the rest of the family defends the abuser.. and then the victim is the outsider and receives more abuse from the rest of the family..

    I know a lot of personal stories because I work in a support group and I have heard some of the worst stories...

    The problem with sexual abuse is that is not the victims fault for failing to protect themselves or preventing the abuse.. don't place that emotional burden on them. It's the abusers fault for being the abuser. The abuser should not rape or molest children, women, or men. Sexual abuse is unacceptable. It isn't legal to depict children in porno, so why should it be legal to depict children in a guide about how to rape and molest them?

    I don't have a problem with trying to teach children how to protect themselves, but it shouldn't be their duty alone.. The rule is that abuse is unacceptable. Some of the victims in the group did try to tell when they were very little, but their abuser manipulated them so much and trained them with words and vocabulary that nobody understood what they were telling them. I unfortunately don't believe children are capable of preventing abuse by themselves.
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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    That's my favorite part. They wanted jurisdiction, so they sent away for a signed copy. They wanted to nail him, so they asked him to break the law, and the best part would be that if he didn't think he was breaking the law to begin with.

    The crazy thing is, I bet you dollars to donuts that that violates one of a variety of vaguely-worded Federal statutes regulating interstate commerce, the difference here is that the government did it, so it's okay.
    Here cops often lure people into their jurisdiction in online stings... promising sex with an underage person.. What is the different here? All things aside.. I am just talking about getting jurisdiction

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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Well, that is a good point that you are trying to make.. but in all honesty these people are not just weird anti social men who are easily spotted, they can be fathers of the children they abuse.
    They typically do not abuse their own children -- too valuable as cover.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Sometimes the abuse can start so early the child doesn't have a chance, and thinks it's normal. They only learn that it is later inappropriate to not "play" that way, when they try doing it with other people. I know of incest happening in families, when the child tells somebody else the rest of the family defends the abuser.. and then the victim is the outsider and receives more abuse from the rest of the family..

    I know a lot of personal stories because I work in a support group and I have heard some of the worst stories...

    The problem with sexual abuse is that is not the victims fault for failing to protect themselves or preventing the abuse.. don't place that emotional burden on them. It's the abusers fault for being the abuser. The abuser should not rape or molest children, women, or men. Sexual abuse is unacceptable.
    I don't disagree with any of that.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    It isn't legal to depict children in porno, so why should it be legal to depict children in a guide about how to rape and molest them?
    For the same reason it's not illegal to so much as talk about it in public -- because whether you're discussing the evils of child sexual abuse or writing a book about how to sexually abuse children, neither act involves the actual abuse of children.

    I think our criminal justice system should focus on people who actually do bad things, rather than simply talk about doing bad things.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I don't have a problem with trying to teach children how to protect themselves, but it shouldn't be their duty alone.. The rule is that abuse is unacceptable. Some of the victims in the group did try to tell when they were very little, but their abuser had manipulated them so much and trained them with words and vocabulary that nobody understood what she was trying to tell them. I unfortunately don't believe children are capable of preventing abuse by themselves.
    I don't disagree with any of this, either.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Here cops often lure people into their jurisdiction in online stings... promising sex with an underage person.. What is the different here? All things aside.. I am just talking about getting jurisdiction
    I just don't get how it's okay in any way for the cops to pursue someone who is obeying the law where he lives by purchasing something via interstate commerce that is illegal where the cops are.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    They typically do not abuse their own children -- too valuable as cover.
    I don't really agree with this.. I have read about some who don't start out abuser their own children, but then start doing things gradually.. like masturbating while watching their children sleep or touching them while sleeping. I think it has something to do with them not enjoying being close to their victims for fears of losing control..

    I don't disagree with any of that.


    For the same reason it's not illegal to so much as talk about it in public --
    No offense, but I think this is a bad argument... It's not acceptable to talk about hurting or sexually abusing children in public, and that would alert anybody's attention and be a cause of concern. Depending on the situation it could lead to all types of consequences, perhaps not immediate criminal.. unless it involves a certain child.. However, protecting children is an important social value IMO, not protecting the freedom of their abusers to exchange ideas on how to be better abusers.

    I really think your attitude is symptomatic of saying we should protect ourselves from sexual abuse, not "sexual abuse is unacceptable."

    I don't know the legal facts in this case.. let him go to trail, whatever. But I am not going to be acceptable of this type of literature ever, and I have a freedom of speech to say so and protest it. I believe sexual abuse is unacceptable and encouraging it, and encouraging more effective sexual abuse.. or whatever this guy is doing.. is unacceptable.

    because whether you're discussing the evils of child sexual abuse or writing a book about how to sexually abuse children, neither act involves the actual abuse of children.
    Talking about or writing a book about abusing a child potentially involves all children.. Who would talk about how to abuse a child and get away with it? Don't forget this book is a how-to-manual.. it's market is obvious, it's niche is for pedophiles to become better abusers. Are you actually supporting his book?

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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    They typically do not abuse their own children -- too valuable as cover.
    Absolutely untrue. Roughly 90% of child abuse cases involve a parent or close relative. In fact, it is this exact stat, that has so many people outraged at the sex offender registry. Since so few sex offenders ever reoffend (3.5-5% according to the department of justice, with nearly 50% being the average for all other crimes) that means that these people who abuse their kids don't abuse anyone else's kids so are no threat to them yet they have to register publicly, sometimes for life. They could have just killed the child and been done with it. No law should encourage an act of murder to avoid jail time. If you want to think about the victim, think about what the perp knows is on the other side for him. Make it too tough, and he'll just kill the child. A dead child won't talk. Think about it.

    It's a bad bad thing, no doubt, but lets face it, just like you can't lock up someone for being gay, you can't lock them up for simply being a pedophile. It is better to let him learn to control his urges in a way that doesn't harm kids, rather than tell him "no" all the time and then he lashes out and destroys a life.

    However, I would like to finish with the fact that not all sex offenders are pedophiles, even child rapists don't always qualify, simply because many molestations and rapes aren't about sex at all. They are about power and manipulation. There have been many sex offenders in prison for molesting and raping children who tested negative for sexual attraction to kids (which is, of course, the requirement to be a true pedophile, no crime alone can create that label). Of course, a lot of this comes from the large number of false accusations that are made against men by pissed off ex wives, ex girlfriends, etc. Who are the cops going to believe, little Emily who says daddy touched her (and was told to say this by mommy, why promised her her favorite doll if she did), or Daddy, the big evil man with a mustache who says he didn't?

    See how easy it is?

    Ok, sorry I'll get off my soapbox. I just had to correct the incorrect piece of information I saw.

    Interesting link:

    http://recidivism.samcaldwell.net/

    Avg. Recidivism (1983-2010) (all felony offenders):41.56%
    Avg Recidivism (1983-2010) (sex offenders, new sex offense): 8.47%
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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Repulsive as this specific instance may be, free speech is free speech, we cannot put emotional limitations on it without risk of any and all emotionally charged issues becoming subject to censorship. When speech becomes action then all bets are off.
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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Repulsive as this specific instance may be, free speech is free speech, we cannot put emotional limitations on it without risk of any and all emotionally charged issues becoming subject to censorship. When speech becomes action then all bets are off.
    Amazon should not have published his book in the first place... Amazon f**ked up.. They pulled it, but he is still headed to trial in January..

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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Apparently freedom of speech goes right out the window when it comes to being on the wrong side of public opinion on emotionally-charged issues.
    I would say this is akin to yelling fire in a crowded theatre when there is no fire.
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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Amazon should not have published his book in the first place... Amazon f**ked up.. They pulled it, but he is still headed to trial in January..
    They would have never pulled it were it not for the bad press, they are not concerned with content, they are concerned with profit - which others now have an opportunity to capitalize on.

    The saddest thing of all of this is that a publication that would have otherwise had a very limited exposure now has free advertising and the exposure to this publication has now increased by several magnitudes of order above and beyond what would have occurred otherwise. The media exposure has assuredly been a godsend for book sales - free publicity for a book that should have withered away in obscurity. good job media, way to feed that monster for the sake of sensationalism.
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