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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    but....but.....pedophilia....and....well....won't someone PLEASE think of the children?
    Somebody is, and it's not the good, moral cons and faux libertarians. Jesus...
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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Some of it's debunked, not all of it. And things like the Poor Man's James Bond (PMJB) went well beyond things like the Anarchist Cookbook. The PMJB details all sorts of things from self defense, to lethal trap building, etc. You can say "oh I read the Anarchist Cookbook" blah blah blah. But the fact remains that there are PLENTY of books out there with very detailed instructions on lethal traps, lethal self-defense, drug use, etc. And it's all legal, it's all been challenged, it's all been held up in court. You only want to say that a book on pedophilia is different than all the other books out there which instruct on deadly and illegal things; but that's only because you desperately want to make this book seem different enough to excuse your desire to censor it. And that is the reality, that's the truth.

    Freedom, it's messy business. But it's better than the alternative.
    I don't think I have advocated censoring the book... I have expressed that I don't support the book. I don't think Amazon should have published the book in the first place.

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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    but....but.....pedophilia....and....well....won't someone PLEASE think of the children?
    I'd consider that to be innapropriate - as much as making jokes about rape when discussing the punishment due a rapist.
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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They can read any book about any topic. If they actually act on anything however which infringes upon the rights and liberties of the individual; then the police and government force may be brought into the picture in order to enforce the just laws of the Republic.
    Do you think any type of child porn should be legal? As long as the pedophiles are getting some visual pleasure and not hurting anybody.. that is ok..

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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    No one is trying to make pedophilia mainstream or more acceptable?

    Excuse me, but that is AUTHOR'S GOAL. He is trying to do that, and I cannot respect that. I cannot easily accept his ****ing book... I have a freedom of speech to express that... You think my opinion is just pure emotion and just stupid, but his is protected speech and you're willing to lecture me on that for pages and pages, whilst insulting me..
    Well, what law is he breaking in doing exactly that? Please point it out, with links. Otherwise, he's not breaking a law and can do what he pleases. Just because someone does something we detest doesn't make it illegal.

    You know you've won the argument when people start saying "You must be hiding something, you seem to be a pedo lover." I've never once endorsed what this guy did or endorsed pedophilia, I've used links to back up my arguments all along the way. That is what a "professional" (word used loosely) debater does.
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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I don't think I have advocated censoring the book... I have expressed that I don't support the book. I don't think Amazon should have published the book in the first place.
    Notice you hear nothing from them about Jon Stewart's book not being sold in Walmart and Sam's Clubs.
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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    We cannot rewind time. This is the issue at hand - it is already in motion. We can either debate "what should have happened" or we can debate "the next thing that can actually happen."

    I'm not debating the past on this - I am debating what will happen next which isn't even a debate, it's merely a fact - it will proceed to trial.

    I cannot appease you and rewind time to undo what has already been done, sorry. He has been charged with a crime - and once *anyone* is charged with a crime the proper thing to do is give them their Constitutionally rightful and fair chance at defending their good honor and possibly filing a counter-claim and even being awarded a sum for the trouble to have to prove theirself innocent.
    No, the proper thing to do is for the judge to summarily dismiss the case and reprimand the prosecutor.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker
    Why are you fearing that this trial will go against him? Why are you jumping to that conclusion?
    I'm not. I'm saying it should be dismissed.

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    No, it is not clear.
    If it was clear then it wouldn't have proceeded this far.
    This is a circular argument if I've ever heard one: "There must be some legitimate dispute over the law, because the prosecutor filed charges. And the prosecutor must have filed charges because there is some legitimate dispute over the law."

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker
    This is where the issue is for you then - you think it is clear. When in reality it is not.
    The law is quite clear that inflammatory speech (including speech advocating breaking the law) is constitutionally protected unless it incites imminent lawless action, as established in Brandenburg v. Ohio.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker
    If he is being falsely accused then there are other avenues he can take as reprisal and other options that open to him during the pre-trial and during trial - such as a judgment on the pleadings and so on.
    It's not a matter of being "falsely accused," as that implies that the facts of the case are under dispute. Everyone agrees on the facts, and the prosecutor is simply wrong that those facts add up to a violation of the law.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker
    I don't see why this upsets you quite so much. If this goes to full trial and doesn't end on a judgment on the pleadings or something of that nature then he can actually be compensated - and there might come a heavier and more detail definition of 'obsenity' which would quell confusion and issues in the future.
    Why would it quell confusion on the issue in the future? The law is already quite clear, yet you're saying this case is somehow different from previous cases. Why would a clear ruling here prevent you from doing exactly the same thing next time someone exercises their freedom of speech to voice an opinion you dislike?
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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Kev316 View Post
    Notice you hear nothing from them about Jon Stewart's book not being sold in Walmart and Sam's Clubs.
    There are a lot of books not sold at Walmart.

    But there's a huge section of Adult Romance Novels.
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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    There are a lot of books not sold at Walmart.

    But there's a huge section of Adult Romance Novels.
    I know, right? Ever peruse the videos? Now let's see, you can buy a filthy, unrated version of a movie, you can buy romance novels - but no bad words in music and no liberal works with bad words. God bless the US of A.
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    Re: Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    The Patriot Act was passed devoid of logic, and mostly fear. The invasion of Iraq wasn't very logical IMO... I think it was based mostly on emotion again, dislike of Saddam and fear, again..
    Pssst....those votes did not belong to the Republicans alone. The Deomcrats did not oppose it, particularly things like the Patriot Act and such. They're all a bunch of cowards willing to sacrafice our lives and money for their political gains.
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