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    150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    That's right, folks. South Carolina, the first state to secede from the Union, is having a ball to commemorate that event. What are they celebrating? Slavery? An act that led to the deaths of over half a million people? They say no:

    Do we celebrate that? Heavens no,” he said. “War and death is never something to celebrate. But we do celebrate the courage and the integrity of 170 men who signed their signatures to the Article of Secession – the courage of men to do what they think is right.
    and what did they have the courage and integrity to do that was right? Let's take a look at the South Carolina Declaration of Secession.

    And there you have it, folks. The courage and integrity to do what was right, according to South Carolina, was to fight for the institution of slavery. Don't take my word for it. This is in the words of the very people who penned South Carolina's Articles of Secession.

    In my own honest opinion, this is one of the dumbest and most immoral events that you could possibly celebrate. What do we celebrate next? Lynchings of blacks who demanded their Constitutional right to vote?

    Article is here.
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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That's right, folks. South Carolina, the first state to secede from the Union, is having a ball to commemorate that event. What are they celebrating? Slavery? An act that led to the deaths of over half a million people? They say no:



    and what did they have the courage and integrity to do that was right? Let's take a look at the South Carolina Declaration of Secession.



    And there you have it, folks. The courage and integrity to do what was right, according to South Carolina, was to fight for the institution of slavery. Don't take my word for it. This is in the words of the very people who penned South Carolina's Articles of Secession.

    In my own honest opinion, this is one of the dumbest and most immoral events that you could possibly celebrate. What do we celebrate next? Lynchings of blacks who demanded their Constitutional right to vote?

    Article is here.
    I am not endorsing slavery, but hear me out.

    The old Confederacy, and South Carolina in particular, had a point: While they did indeed secede in part due to the Northern will to eliminate slavery, that isn't as racist or horrible as it sounds. The South needed, more than it wanted, slavery. They did not need or want it out of racial prejudice, nor out of any ultra-conservative desire to preserve "the Old Way", or anything like that. The South needed to preserve slavery because, without it, without the plantations and the mills and the cotton and the tobacco etc., the South was economically nothing. Slavery was the LIFEBLOOD of the South's economy, and attempting to remove it from the South would be like attempting to remove every industrial factory from England at the time -- it would have been absolutely crushed economically.

    And the South knew this. So, where the North may or may not have thought that the Southerners were all racist, traitorous bastards, from the 20/20 hindsight view of history, I think we can probably say it was about the economy, as thing almost always are.

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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    I am not endorsing slavery, but hear me out.

    The old Confederacy, and South Carolina in particular, had a point: While they did indeed secede in part due to the Northern will to eliminate slavery, that isn't as racist or horrible as it sounds. The South needed, more than it wanted, slavery. They did not need or want it out of racial prejudice, nor out of any ultra-conservative desire to preserve "the Old Way", or anything like that. The South needed to preserve slavery because, without it, without the plantations and the mills and the cotton and the tobacco etc., the South was economically nothing. Slavery was the LIFEBLOOD of the South's economy, and attempting to remove it from the South would be like attempting to remove every industrial factory from England at the time -- it would have been absolutely crushed economically.

    And the South knew this. So, where the North may or may not have thought that the Southerners were all racist, traitorous bastards, from the 20/20 hindsight view of history, I think we can probably say it was about the economy, as thing almost always are.
    I disagree. The cotton gin had already been invented. The South no longer needed slavery, but they still wanted it. And even if they still needed it, that does not excuse their moral reprehensibility, nor should secession be something to celebrate.
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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    I predict this thread is going to be heated...
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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Oh hells to the yeah. If I am home when this happens I am totally going to try and go.

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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That's right, folks. South Carolina, the first state to secede from the Union, is having a ball to commemorate that event. What are they celebrating? Slavery? An act that led to the deaths of over half a million people? They say no:



    and what did they have the courage and integrity to do that was right? Let's take a look at the South Carolina Declaration of Secession.



    And there you have it, folks. The courage and integrity to do what was right, according to South Carolina, was to fight for the institution of slavery. Don't take my word for it. This is in the words of the very people who penned South Carolina's Articles of Secession.

    In my own honest opinion, this is one of the dumbest and most immoral events that you could possibly celebrate. What do we celebrate next? Lynchings of blacks who demanded their Constitutional right to vote?

    Article is here.
    Yes, and there are those who will argue, red-faced, that secession wasn't about slavery, but some other noble purpose. Yet almost every article of secession cited slavery specifically.
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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Isn't this a duplicate of another thread?

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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Yes, and there are those who will argue, red-faced, that secession wasn't about slavery, but some other noble purpose. Yet almost every article of secession cited slavery specifically.
    That is 100% correct.

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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I disagree. The cotton gin had already been invented. The South no longer needed slavery, but they still wanted it. And even if they still needed it, that does not excuse their moral reprehensibility, nor should secession be something to celebrate.
    I hate to break this to you because I respect and admire you. But it was the cotton gin that made slavery cost effective again.

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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Yes, and there are those who will argue, red-faced, that secession wasn't about slavery, but some other noble purpose. Yet almost every article of secession cited slavery specifically.
    My 9th grade teacher was one of them. I put slavery down and it was marked wrong .

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