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150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

I think it would be arrogant to say "I'm surprised to hear you say that", so I'll opt instead for something closer to the truth, like, "I'm proud to hear you say that."

At the risk of this turning into a Trans-Atlantic fellating session, I'll admit that, though I often take a hard stance on the States in recent times, they've generally been on the better side of history.

Heck, if you'd sent better generals that didn't have their head up their ass, we'd still be west England today. LOL

I find it ironically cool that our best friends in the world are England and Japan, the two countries that probably did us the most harm once upon a time. And Canada, which is like our 51 state anyway.
 
Heck, if you'd sent better generals that didn't have their head up their ass, we'd still be west England today. LOL

I find it ironically cool that our best friends in the world are England and Japan, the two countries that probably did us the most harm once upon a time. And Canada, which is like our 51 state anyway.

As I recall, Canada has kicked your arse in two wars, and they may well do it again if all this 51st state rubbish doesn't stop. XD

As well, as a point of historical accuracy, I refuse to give the credit to an independent US to anyone but the French -- they're the ones you really ought to be thanking.


Which is another irony, I suppose, that the States have embraced their former enemies, and abandoned their former allies. XD
 
As I recall, Canada has kicked your arse in two wars, and they may well do it again if all this 51st state rubbish doesn't stop. XD

I would say something smart like "how tough can a country whose symbol is the maple leaf be?", BUT I know some Canuck military men and know full well that their military is "small but very competent and tough."


As well, as a point of historical accuracy, I refuse to give the credit to an independent US to anyone but the French -- they're the ones you really ought to be thanking.

No, we already returned that favor. "Lafayette, we are here!"
 
As I recall, Canada has kicked your arse in two wars, and they may well do it again if all this 51st state rubbish doesn't stop. XD

As well, as a point of historical accuracy, I refuse to give the credit to an independent US to anyone but the French -- they're the ones you really ought to be thanking.


Which is another irony, I suppose, that the States have embraced their former enemies, and abandoned their former allies. XD

Canada is a pimple on our ass. A welcomed pimple, but a pimple nonetheless. And 1812 was just the last skirmish of the Revolution with England, not a war with Canadians so much.

We more than paid the French back in WWII. Still, if England's generals weren't fooling around with each other's wives and generally goofing off, it wouldn't have lost the war.

And I'd certainly like to know what allies we've EVER abandoned. If anything, we are far too accommodating to the needs of other nations, and we get taken advantage of and taken for granted constantly.

And I must ask, do you honestly wish communism to be the rule of England. I watch the UK, and it saddens me. Your once great nation is being overtaken by the very people who seek to destroy you, and yet you do nothing about it. You cowher to their every wish and threat.
 
I would say something smart like "how tough can a country whose symbol is the maple leaf be?", BUT I know some Canuck military men and know full well that their military is "small but very competent and tough."




No, we already returned that favor. "Lafayette, we are here!"

I think that's the most amusing part, though. There have seldom been two nations whose histories are so intertwined, whose people are so similar, whose policies and philosophies and ideologies align so closely, and whose arrogance is only topped by the other -- and yet here they are, each trying to say "hah, we're so much better than THEM!"

It's rivalry, I suspect, the anti-French sentiment in the States, and the anti-American sentiment in France.

The most amusing part, as well, is that they've both liberated each others' countries, and their enemies have been the same since their history began (not to mention that they were both formed within 10 years of eachother), and yet, instead of creating binding ties, they treat it like debt. Yeah, we saved them once, and they saved us once, so I suppose that's even, we don't have to deal with the anymore.
 
As I recall, Canada has kicked your arse in two wars, and they may well do it again if all this 51st state rubbish doesn't stop. XD

As well, as a point of historical accuracy, I refuse to give the credit to an independent US to anyone but the French -- they're the ones you really ought to be thanking.


Which is another irony, I suppose, that the States have embraced their former enemies, and abandoned their former allies. XD

Canada and America have never fought a war. Great Britain and America have. Canada was part of Great Britain. American and British soldiers fought. Canada didn't have an army then, and doesn't have a national identity now.

We appreciate the actions of Lafayette, De Grasse, and Rochambeau.

Both France and the UK are strangers to us.
 
Canada and America have never fought a war. Great Britain and America have. Canada was part of Great Britain. American and British soldiers fought. Canada didn't have an army then, and doesn't have a national identity now.

We appreciate the actions of Lafayette, De Grasse, and Rochambeau.

Both France and the UK are strangers to us.

As constituted for the last several years, perhaps a bit. But as time passes, much of Europe seems to be returning to their conservative roots. Unfortunately, we seem to be headed the other direction, though November certainly brought hope.

I still think England is more Margaret Thatcher and Winston Churchill at its core than the recent clowns.
 
I think the 4 in 10 Americans that believe in strict creationism must live in S.C.

I was born in S.C. and I can tell you the respect for others, all others is stronger there than anywhere else I have been.

My great Grandfather took over a plantation when his father died, and his father told first hand stories that strongly disagree with the conventional lore of slavery.
Slavery was recognized as evil all throughout the south, it was also recognized as necessary for the survival of hundreds of thousands of Slaves and their children.

What to be done about it was in the hearts and minds of southerners almost without exception.
You couldnt very well turn them to the streets to beg for food, they wanted to work.
And the wages that would have been able to be paid them wouldnt provide enough for the food and shelter they received on the plantation.

I'm not defending slavery my freind, I'm speaking of the reality that it was.
And you didnt see Northerners reaching their hands out to take them in once they were freed either. Qute the contrary actually.
Most slaves stayed right where they were, and the harsh reality of being uneducated and left to fend for yourself is still felt today in some regards.
When your father and mother are uneducated and poor, it bleeds into the next generation, and so on and so on and so on.
A very slow painfull pattern to break.

And that signature of yours Fox News: Not Racists, but #1 with Racists.
Is ridiculous, FOX news is # 1 in America, period, because its the closest thing to the NEWS you can find today.
 
Canada is a pimple on our ass. A welcomed pimple, but a pimple nonetheless. And 1812 was just the last skirmish of the Revolution with England, not a war with Canadians so much.

We more than paid the French back in WWII. Still, if England's generals weren't fooling around with each other's wives and generally goofing off, it wouldn't have lost the war.

And I'd certainly like to know what allies we've EVER abandoned. If anything, we are far too accommodating to the needs of other nations, and we get taken advantage of and taken for granted constantly.

And I must ask, do you honestly wish communism to be the rule of England. I watch the UK, and it saddens me. Your once great nation is being overtaken by the very people who seek to destroy you, and yet you do nothing about it. You cowher to their every wish and threat.

As I said in my last post, it's not so much abandonment, as an amusing "debtor" attitude -- America had to call in favours from France and Spain to get away from Britain, and before the century was out, the Americans were eating up Spanish territory, going to naval war with France, and killing every Indian in sight. In the next century, it begrudged France its aide, and once the war was over, it seemed to take the attitude of "debts repaid, we can forget about the French now."

About the communism bit -- I'm a progressive socialist, and on the payroll of the Labour Party, former the Labour government. My once great nation is still the greatest nation on Earth, and I might point out that, if you're referring to this American fearmongering myth of "the Islamification of Brittanistan", you ought check some figures.

The UK's demographics show that about 2 to 2.5% of Britain is Muslim -- a country of 65 million people, which comes out to, at most, 1.6 million Muslims. In comparison, there are 6.6 million Jews in the United States -- almost five times as many. Furthermore, of those 1.6 million Muslims, over 2/3 claim that they value their "Britishness" over whatever country they came from, in several polls taken by the government. More than that, there are (and this is shocking, I know, if you watch FOX News) no more than 500 (not 5000, not 50000, not 500000) burqa-wearing Muslim women in the entirety of the country. In France, there are 673. In Germany, far less. Furthermore, about a thousand people total claim to follow Shari'a law in Britain, with the vast majority of Muslims in the UK saying that it is "outdated".

How many of the roadsigns in Texas are in Spanish, by the way?
 
I was born in S.C. and I can tell you the respect for others, all others is stronger there than anywhere else I have been.

My great Grandfather took over a plantation when his father died, and his father told first hand stories that strongly disagree with the conventional lore of slavery.
Slavery was recognized as evil all throughout the south, it was also recognized as necessary for the survival of hundreds of thousands of Slaves and their children.

What to be done about it was in the hearts and minds of southerners almost without exception.
You couldnt very well turn them to the streets to beg for food, they wanted to work.
And the wages that would have been able to be paid them wouldnt provide enough for the food and shelter they received on the plantation.

I'm not defending slavery my freind, I'm speaking of the reality that it was.
And you didnt see Northerners reaching their hands out to take them in once they were freed either. Qute the contrary actually.
Most slaves stayed right where they were, and the harsh reality of being uneducated and left to fend for yourself is still felt today in some regards.
When your father and mother are uneducated and poor, it bleeds into the next generation, and so on and so on and so on.
A very slow painfull pattern to break.

And that signature of yours Fox News: Not Racists, but #1 with Racists.
Is ridiculous, FOX news is # 1 in America, period, because its the closest thing to the NEWS you can find today.

The bolded is still prevalent today. I travel the country all the time, and by far the most racist place I go is Boston, the heart of liberalism in the northeast. Black and white people simply don't acknowledge each other, and they consider that a lack of prejudice.

Go to Mississippi, and blacks and whites talk to each other all day. They might go home to different part of town in the evening, but they go to lunch together and laugh together all the time. They're open about their differences, and there's certainly boundaries among many of them, but in the end, they seem to genuinely like each other by and large.

Not in Boston. They don't make eye contact.
 
though I often take a hard stance on the States in recent times

Funny; you said that was only in the imaginations of "hardcore American nationalists."
 
As constituted for the last several years, perhaps a bit. But as time passes, much of Europe seems to be returning to their conservative roots. Unfortunately, we seem to be headed the other direction, though November certainly brought hope.

I still think England is more Margaret Thatcher and Winston Churchill at its core than the recent clowns.

My friend, I disagree. Europe is lost demographically and economically. They are strangers to us. Leave them alone for there is nothing to gain from involvement with them.
 
As I said in my last post, it's not so much abandonment, as an amusing "debtor" attitude -- America had to call in favours from France and Spain to get away from Britain, and before the century was out, the Americans were eating up Spanish territory, going to naval war with France, and killing every Indian in sight. In the next century, it begrudged France its aide, and once the war was over, it seemed to take the attitude of "debts repaid, we can forget about the French now."

About the communism bit -- I'm a progressive socialist, and on the payroll of the Labour Party, former the Labour government. My once great nation is still the greatest nation on Earth, and I might point out that, if you're referring to this American fearmongering myth of "the Islamification of Brittanistan", you ought check some figures.

The UK's demographics show that about 2 to 2.5% of Britain is Muslim -- a country of 65 million people, which comes out to, at most, 1.6 million Muslims. In comparison, there are 6.6 million Jews in the United States -- almost five times as many. Furthermore, of those 1.6 million Muslims, over 2/3 claim that they value their "Britishness" over whatever country they came from, in several polls taken by the government. More than that, there are (and this is shocking, I know, if you watch FOX News) no more than 500 (not 5000, not 50000, not 500000) burqa-wearing Muslim women in the entirety of the country. In France, there are 673. In Germany, far less. Furthermore, about a thousand people total claim to follow Shari'a law in Britain, with the vast majority of Muslims in the UK saying that it is "outdated".

How many of the roadsigns in Texas are in Spanish, by the way?

This will be seen as a sign of victory in the Middle East.

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Old story, but still relevant:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3632591/The-shadow-cast-by-a-mega-mosque.html
 
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As constituted for the last several years, perhaps a bit. But as time passes, much of Europe seems to be returning to their conservative roots. Unfortunately, we seem to be headed the other direction, though November certainly brought hope.

I still think England is more Margaret Thatcher and Winston Churchill at its core than the recent clowns.

I could go into the demographics (London tends to be very liberal, yet Southern England tends to be conservative. Northern England is moderately liberal, and Scotland is intensely liberal. Wales and Cornwall are both pretty moderate, probably leaning left, and Northern Ireland often leans to the right -- bloody Irish), but the thing that you need to recognise is that "England", though constituting a supermajority of the population of our nation, is not the UK, nor is it Britain.

Winston Churchill may be quite a stereotypical depiction of the old, Imperial Englishman. Yet David Lloyd George, the Prime Minister from 1916 to 1922, spoke English as his second language -- he was Welsh. And now, Tony Blair is a very stereotypicial depiction of the progressive Englishman.

And yet they're all British, and none are "more" British than the others, so I would say that, to label the nation, or even just the country of England within the nation, as an old-style Imperialistic, conservative bastion would be quite false.
 
This will be seen as a sign of victory in the Middle East.

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Funny; you said that was only in the imaginations of "hardcore American nationalists."

No. I take a hard stance on the States, because of their bizarre slip backwards into ultra-conservative backwater mentality -- that's plain and simple.

What is fomented in the imaginations of "hardcore American nationalists" is the idea that I have nothing good to say about the States, ever, by merit of being a Eurosocialist baby-killing commie Muslim Imperialist genocidal push-over, to put it succinctly.

Don't believe the last statement? Albert di Salvo, how do you feel about Europeans? Or shall I drag up your old posts?

XD
 
My friend, I disagree. Europe is lost demographically and economically. They are strangers to us. Leave them alone for there is nothing to gain from involvement with them.

Well, I certainly hope not. The eastern bloc countries are at least reliable these days, and I have great hope sanity will return westward. Germany is coming around politically, as is Spain. And recent elections are encouraging in England, although was constitutes as "conservative" today in England is stilted at best.
 
Only thank God men have done learned how to forget quick what they ain't brave enough to try to cure.

— William Faulkner, The Hamlet
 
People talking about what the average soldier fought for really need to stfu already. Nobody cares if Pvt Jimmy Gonzales is fighting to get oil or WMDs. He doesn't make policy nor is he somebody who will change the outcome of the war. What matters on the historical record is evidence of what policy makers did and said. The historical record on the civil war clearly shows and PROVES the South's main and imminent reason for secession was slavery. End. Of. Story.
 
The bolded is still prevalent today. I travel the country all the time, and by far the most racist place I go is Boston, the heart of liberalism in the northeast. Black and white people simply don't acknowledge each other, and they consider that a lack of prejudice.

Go to Mississippi, and blacks and whites talk to each other all day. They might go home to different part of town in the evening, but they go to lunch together and laugh together all the time. They're open about their differences, and there's certainly boundaries among many of them, but in the end, they seem to genuinely like each other by and large.

Not in Boston. They don't make eye contact.

do I know you?

Funny you say that, because I'm in Boston now, and what you say is true.
Racism is alive and well here, and its the ugly silent racism.
Living here has opened my eyes on a lot of things, most notably the liberal mindset and how phony it is.

One of my first curiosities was the unding love affair with the Kennedys, voting Ted in term after term, the most dispicable human being to ever walk the halls of congress.

and their answer is "because all he brings to Massachusetts". Like that makes it right.
Suppose I told my child its ok to like the class bully as long as he brings you treats every day.

The government bodies on the local levels fund school equality and bussing then send their kids to private schools.
liberals are lost souls, for the most part, that whine that its someone elses fault when things arent right.
 
Eh. Did he miss the bit about most Muslims in Britain considering themself British?

Meh, I doubt he missed it. Most likely he ignores that fact. It doesn't fit into the agenda that Muslims wish to overtake Europe. :shrug:
 
Meh, I doubt he missed it. Most likely he ignores that fact. It doesn't fit into the agenda that Muslims wish to overtake Europe. :shrug:

One thing at a time. You've got your hands full with the Austerity issues at the moment.
 
No. I take a hard stance on the States, because of their bizarre slip backwards into ultra-conservative backwater mentality -- that's plain and simple.

What is fomented in the imaginations of "hardcore American nationalists" is the idea that I have nothing good to say about the States, ever, by merit of being a Eurosocialist baby-killing commie Muslim Imperialist genocidal push-over, to put it succinctly.

Don't believe the last statement? Albert di Salvo, how do you feel about Europeans? Or shall I drag up your old posts?

XD

Weak. You never made such qualifications before; I certainly never said any of that about you, even after you said I want to nuke the entire world.

As for the "commie" bit, I suspect you chose the hammer and sickle as your avatar specifically to elicit that comment.
 
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