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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    though I often take a hard stance on the States in recent times
    Funny; you said that was only in the imaginations of "hardcore American nationalists."
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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    As constituted for the last several years, perhaps a bit. But as time passes, much of Europe seems to be returning to their conservative roots. Unfortunately, we seem to be headed the other direction, though November certainly brought hope.

    I still think England is more Margaret Thatcher and Winston Churchill at its core than the recent clowns.
    My friend, I disagree. Europe is lost demographically and economically. They are strangers to us. Leave them alone for there is nothing to gain from involvement with them.

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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    As I said in my last post, it's not so much abandonment, as an amusing "debtor" attitude -- America had to call in favours from France and Spain to get away from Britain, and before the century was out, the Americans were eating up Spanish territory, going to naval war with France, and killing every Indian in sight. In the next century, it begrudged France its aide, and once the war was over, it seemed to take the attitude of "debts repaid, we can forget about the French now."

    About the communism bit -- I'm a progressive socialist, and on the payroll of the Labour Party, former the Labour government. My once great nation is still the greatest nation on Earth, and I might point out that, if you're referring to this American fearmongering myth of "the Islamification of Brittanistan", you ought check some figures.

    The UK's demographics show that about 2 to 2.5% of Britain is Muslim -- a country of 65 million people, which comes out to, at most, 1.6 million Muslims. In comparison, there are 6.6 million Jews in the United States -- almost five times as many. Furthermore, of those 1.6 million Muslims, over 2/3 claim that they value their "Britishness" over whatever country they came from, in several polls taken by the government. More than that, there are (and this is shocking, I know, if you watch FOX News) no more than 500 (not 5000, not 50000, not 500000) burqa-wearing Muslim women in the entirety of the country. In France, there are 673. In Germany, far less. Furthermore, about a thousand people total claim to follow Shari'a law in Britain, with the vast majority of Muslims in the UK saying that it is "outdated".

    How many of the roadsigns in Texas are in Spanish, by the way?
    This will be seen as a sign of victory in the Middle East.



    Old story, but still relevant:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/p...ga-mosque.html
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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    As constituted for the last several years, perhaps a bit. But as time passes, much of Europe seems to be returning to their conservative roots. Unfortunately, we seem to be headed the other direction, though November certainly brought hope.

    I still think England is more Margaret Thatcher and Winston Churchill at its core than the recent clowns.
    I could go into the demographics (London tends to be very liberal, yet Southern England tends to be conservative. Northern England is moderately liberal, and Scotland is intensely liberal. Wales and Cornwall are both pretty moderate, probably leaning left, and Northern Ireland often leans to the right -- bloody Irish), but the thing that you need to recognise is that "England", though constituting a supermajority of the population of our nation, is not the UK, nor is it Britain.

    Winston Churchill may be quite a stereotypical depiction of the old, Imperial Englishman. Yet David Lloyd George, the Prime Minister from 1916 to 1922, spoke English as his second language -- he was Welsh. And now, Tony Blair is a very stereotypicial depiction of the progressive Englishman.

    And yet they're all British, and none are "more" British than the others, so I would say that, to label the nation, or even just the country of England within the nation, as an old-style Imperialistic, conservative bastion would be quite false.

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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    This will be seen as a sign of victory in the Middle East.

    Unfortunately, the image does not seem to be loading for me. What was it?

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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Funny; you said that was only in the imaginations of "hardcore American nationalists."
    No. I take a hard stance on the States, because of their bizarre slip backwards into ultra-conservative backwater mentality -- that's plain and simple.

    What is fomented in the imaginations of "hardcore American nationalists" is the idea that I have nothing good to say about the States, ever, by merit of being a Eurosocialist baby-killing commie Muslim Imperialist genocidal push-over, to put it succinctly.

    Don't believe the last statement? Albert di Salvo, how do you feel about Europeans? Or shall I drag up your old posts?

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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    My friend, I disagree. Europe is lost demographically and economically. They are strangers to us. Leave them alone for there is nothing to gain from involvement with them.
    Well, I certainly hope not. The eastern bloc countries are at least reliable these days, and I have great hope sanity will return westward. Germany is coming around politically, as is Spain. And recent elections are encouraging in England, although was constitutes as "conservative" today in England is stilted at best.

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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

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    Unfortunately, the image does not seem to be loading for me. What was it?
    A mosque in London


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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Only thank God men have done learned how to forget quick what they ain't brave enough to try to cure.

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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    People talking about what the average soldier fought for really need to stfu already. Nobody cares if Pvt Jimmy Gonzales is fighting to get oil or WMDs. He doesn't make policy nor is he somebody who will change the outcome of the war. What matters on the historical record is evidence of what policy makers did and said. The historical record on the civil war clearly shows and PROVES the South's main and imminent reason for secession was slavery. End. Of. Story.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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