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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    I think it would be arrogant to say "I'm surprised to hear you say that", so I'll opt instead for something closer to the truth, like, "I'm proud to hear you say that."

    At the risk of this turning into a Trans-Atlantic fellating session, I'll admit that, though I often take a hard stance on the States in recent times, they've generally been on the better side of history.
    Heck, if you'd sent better generals that didn't have their head up their ass, we'd still be west England today. LOL

    I find it ironically cool that our best friends in the world are England and Japan, the two countries that probably did us the most harm once upon a time. And Canada, which is like our 51 state anyway.

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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Heck, if you'd sent better generals that didn't have their head up their ass, we'd still be west England today. LOL

    I find it ironically cool that our best friends in the world are England and Japan, the two countries that probably did us the most harm once upon a time. And Canada, which is like our 51 state anyway.
    As I recall, Canada has kicked your arse in two wars, and they may well do it again if all this 51st state rubbish doesn't stop. XD

    As well, as a point of historical accuracy, I refuse to give the credit to an independent US to anyone but the French -- they're the ones you really ought to be thanking.


    Which is another irony, I suppose, that the States have embraced their former enemies, and abandoned their former allies. XD

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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    As I recall, Canada has kicked your arse in two wars, and they may well do it again if all this 51st state rubbish doesn't stop. XD
    I would say something smart like "how tough can a country whose symbol is the maple leaf be?", BUT I know some Canuck military men and know full well that their military is "small but very competent and tough."


    As well, as a point of historical accuracy, I refuse to give the credit to an independent US to anyone but the French -- they're the ones you really ought to be thanking.
    No, we already returned that favor. "Lafayette, we are here!"

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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    As I recall, Canada has kicked your arse in two wars, and they may well do it again if all this 51st state rubbish doesn't stop. XD

    As well, as a point of historical accuracy, I refuse to give the credit to an independent US to anyone but the French -- they're the ones you really ought to be thanking.


    Which is another irony, I suppose, that the States have embraced their former enemies, and abandoned their former allies. XD
    Canada is a pimple on our ass. A welcomed pimple, but a pimple nonetheless. And 1812 was just the last skirmish of the Revolution with England, not a war with Canadians so much.

    We more than paid the French back in WWII. Still, if England's generals weren't fooling around with each other's wives and generally goofing off, it wouldn't have lost the war.

    And I'd certainly like to know what allies we've EVER abandoned. If anything, we are far too accommodating to the needs of other nations, and we get taken advantage of and taken for granted constantly.

    And I must ask, do you honestly wish communism to be the rule of England. I watch the UK, and it saddens me. Your once great nation is being overtaken by the very people who seek to destroy you, and yet you do nothing about it. You cowher to their every wish and threat.

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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I would say something smart like "how tough can a country whose symbol is the maple leaf be?", BUT I know some Canuck military men and know full well that their military is "small but very competent and tough."




    No, we already returned that favor. "Lafayette, we are here!"
    I think that's the most amusing part, though. There have seldom been two nations whose histories are so intertwined, whose people are so similar, whose policies and philosophies and ideologies align so closely, and whose arrogance is only topped by the other -- and yet here they are, each trying to say "hah, we're so much better than THEM!"

    It's rivalry, I suspect, the anti-French sentiment in the States, and the anti-American sentiment in France.

    The most amusing part, as well, is that they've both liberated each others' countries, and their enemies have been the same since their history began (not to mention that they were both formed within 10 years of eachother), and yet, instead of creating binding ties, they treat it like debt. Yeah, we saved them once, and they saved us once, so I suppose that's even, we don't have to deal with the anymore.

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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    As I recall, Canada has kicked your arse in two wars, and they may well do it again if all this 51st state rubbish doesn't stop. XD

    As well, as a point of historical accuracy, I refuse to give the credit to an independent US to anyone but the French -- they're the ones you really ought to be thanking.


    Which is another irony, I suppose, that the States have embraced their former enemies, and abandoned their former allies. XD
    Canada and America have never fought a war. Great Britain and America have. Canada was part of Great Britain. American and British soldiers fought. Canada didn't have an army then, and doesn't have a national identity now.

    We appreciate the actions of Lafayette, De Grasse, and Rochambeau.

    Both France and the UK are strangers to us.

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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Canada and America have never fought a war. Great Britain and America have. Canada was part of Great Britain. American and British soldiers fought. Canada didn't have an army then, and doesn't have a national identity now.

    We appreciate the actions of Lafayette, De Grasse, and Rochambeau.

    Both France and the UK are strangers to us.
    As constituted for the last several years, perhaps a bit. But as time passes, much of Europe seems to be returning to their conservative roots. Unfortunately, we seem to be headed the other direction, though November certainly brought hope.

    I still think England is more Margaret Thatcher and Winston Churchill at its core than the recent clowns.

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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I think the 4 in 10 Americans that believe in strict creationism must live in S.C.
    I was born in S.C. and I can tell you the respect for others, all others is stronger there than anywhere else I have been.

    My great Grandfather took over a plantation when his father died, and his father told first hand stories that strongly disagree with the conventional lore of slavery.
    Slavery was recognized as evil all throughout the south, it was also recognized as necessary for the survival of hundreds of thousands of Slaves and their children.

    What to be done about it was in the hearts and minds of southerners almost without exception.
    You couldnt very well turn them to the streets to beg for food, they wanted to work.
    And the wages that would have been able to be paid them wouldnt provide enough for the food and shelter they received on the plantation.

    I'm not defending slavery my freind, I'm speaking of the reality that it was.
    And you didnt see Northerners reaching their hands out to take them in once they were freed either. Qute the contrary actually.
    Most slaves stayed right where they were, and the harsh reality of being uneducated and left to fend for yourself is still felt today in some regards.
    When your father and mother are uneducated and poor, it bleeds into the next generation, and so on and so on and so on.
    A very slow painfull pattern to break.

    And that signature of yours Fox News: Not Racists, but #1 with Racists.
    Is ridiculous, FOX news is # 1 in America, period, because its the closest thing to the NEWS you can find today.

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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Canada is a pimple on our ass. A welcomed pimple, but a pimple nonetheless. And 1812 was just the last skirmish of the Revolution with England, not a war with Canadians so much.

    We more than paid the French back in WWII. Still, if England's generals weren't fooling around with each other's wives and generally goofing off, it wouldn't have lost the war.

    And I'd certainly like to know what allies we've EVER abandoned. If anything, we are far too accommodating to the needs of other nations, and we get taken advantage of and taken for granted constantly.

    And I must ask, do you honestly wish communism to be the rule of England. I watch the UK, and it saddens me. Your once great nation is being overtaken by the very people who seek to destroy you, and yet you do nothing about it. You cowher to their every wish and threat.
    As I said in my last post, it's not so much abandonment, as an amusing "debtor" attitude -- America had to call in favours from France and Spain to get away from Britain, and before the century was out, the Americans were eating up Spanish territory, going to naval war with France, and killing every Indian in sight. In the next century, it begrudged France its aide, and once the war was over, it seemed to take the attitude of "debts repaid, we can forget about the French now."

    About the communism bit -- I'm a progressive socialist, and on the payroll of the Labour Party, former the Labour government. My once great nation is still the greatest nation on Earth, and I might point out that, if you're referring to this American fearmongering myth of "the Islamification of Brittanistan", you ought check some figures.

    The UK's demographics show that about 2 to 2.5% of Britain is Muslim -- a country of 65 million people, which comes out to, at most, 1.6 million Muslims. In comparison, there are 6.6 million Jews in the United States -- almost five times as many. Furthermore, of those 1.6 million Muslims, over 2/3 claim that they value their "Britishness" over whatever country they came from, in several polls taken by the government. More than that, there are (and this is shocking, I know, if you watch FOX News) no more than 500 (not 5000, not 50000, not 500000) burqa-wearing Muslim women in the entirety of the country. In France, there are 673. In Germany, far less. Furthermore, about a thousand people total claim to follow Shari'a law in Britain, with the vast majority of Muslims in the UK saying that it is "outdated".

    How many of the roadsigns in Texas are in Spanish, by the way?

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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by shades View Post
    I was born in S.C. and I can tell you the respect for others, all others is stronger there than anywhere else I have been.

    My great Grandfather took over a plantation when his father died, and his father told first hand stories that strongly disagree with the conventional lore of slavery.
    Slavery was recognized as evil all throughout the south, it was also recognized as necessary for the survival of hundreds of thousands of Slaves and their children.

    What to be done about it was in the hearts and minds of southerners almost without exception.
    You couldnt very well turn them to the streets to beg for food, they wanted to work.
    And the wages that would have been able to be paid them wouldnt provide enough for the food and shelter they received on the plantation.

    I'm not defending slavery my freind, I'm speaking of the reality that it was.
    And you didnt see Northerners reaching their hands out to take them in once they were freed either. Qute the contrary actually.
    Most slaves stayed right where they were, and the harsh reality of being uneducated and left to fend for yourself is still felt today in some regards.
    When your father and mother are uneducated and poor, it bleeds into the next generation, and so on and so on and so on.
    A very slow painfull pattern to break.

    And that signature of yours Fox News: Not Racists, but #1 with Racists.
    Is ridiculous, FOX news is # 1 in America, period, because its the closest thing to the NEWS you can find today.
    The bolded is still prevalent today. I travel the country all the time, and by far the most racist place I go is Boston, the heart of liberalism in the northeast. Black and white people simply don't acknowledge each other, and they consider that a lack of prejudice.

    Go to Mississippi, and blacks and whites talk to each other all day. They might go home to different part of town in the evening, but they go to lunch together and laugh together all the time. They're open about their differences, and there's certainly boundaries among many of them, but in the end, they seem to genuinely like each other by and large.

    Not in Boston. They don't make eye contact.

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