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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    I am not endorsing slavery, but hear me out.

    The old Confederacy, and South Carolina in particular, had a point: While they did indeed secede in part due to the Northern will to eliminate slavery, that isn't as racist or horrible as it sounds. The South needed, more than it wanted, slavery. They did not need or want it out of racial prejudice, nor out of any ultra-conservative desire to preserve "the Old Way", or anything like that. The South needed to preserve slavery because, without it, without the plantations and the mills and the cotton and the tobacco etc., the South was economically nothing. Slavery was the LIFEBLOOD of the South's economy, and attempting to remove it from the South would be like attempting to remove every industrial factory from England at the time -- it would have been absolutely crushed economically.

    And the South knew this. So, where the North may or may not have thought that the Southerners were all racist, traitorous bastards, from the 20/20 hindsight view of history, I think we can probably say it was about the economy, as thing almost always are.

    To my utter astonishment, I find myself in agreement with Le Marteau again. This is twice in one day. I'm utterly certain that one of us must be unwell.

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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    To my utter astonishment, I find myself in agreement with Le Marteau again. This is twice in one day. I'm utterly certain that one of us must be unwell.
    I'm in Philadelphia at the moment. Perhaps I've caught the stupid from breathing the air here.

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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Yes, and there are those who will argue, red-faced, that secession wasn't about slavery, but some other noble purpose. Yet almost every article of secession cited slavery specifically.
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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Do you believe American soldiers serving in the Middle east are fighting for oil?
    Did anyone ever declare that's why we're there? Or even one of the purposes among many?
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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Did anyone ever declare that's why we're there? Or even one of the purposes among many?
    Not in this thread, and thank you for getting the thread back on track.
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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    I'm in Philadelphia at the moment. Perhaps I've caught the stupid from breathing the air here.

    Ah, now that is the Monsieur Marteau I am familiar with. What a relief; I had begun to fear for your health.

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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Do you believe American soldiers serving in the Middle east are fighting for oil?
    Transparent attempt at a derail. Completely irrelevant to the discussion.

    The south cited slavery repeatedly in their declarations of secession.

    As the saying goes:
    Those who know little about the Civil War know it was about slavery.
    Those who know some about the Civil War know it was about states' rights.
    Those who know a lot about the Civil War know it was about slavery.
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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Why celebrate something you lost?
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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Why celebrate something you lost?
    Part of it is about heritage.

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    Re: 150 years later, S. Carolina celebration sparks new Civil War

    Quote Originally Posted by DAN
    I disagree. The cotton gin had already been invented. The South no longer needed slavery, but they still wanted it. And even if they still needed it, that does not excuse their moral reprehensibility, nor should secession be something to celebrate.
    Cotton Gin doesn't pick cotton. It doesn't till the soil, eat the weeds, or plant seeds. You could have the greatest cotton gin in the world, and you would still need a plow.
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