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    Re: Lawyers cry foul over leak of Julian Assange sex-case papers

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Hasn't happened according to Wiki Leaks ??? You have no way of knowing whether it has or not.
    If it had happened don't you think that something would have been said about it by now by our own government? Remember, they want to trash this guy something fierce, I mean come on, they're trying to look at the law creatively in order to find something to legally charge him with.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    If you consider the truth hypocritical, then feel free.
    From past posts I got the feeling that you valued justice. If you valued justice then you should know that wanting his jury pool tainted is not justice. That is what makes you hypocritical.
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    Re: Lawyers cry foul over leak of Julian Assange sex-case papers

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Here is my take on this: If my Government is doing crap behind my back, I have a right to know. On the other hand, if Assange is doing crap behind my back, I have a right to know. Assange can't have it both ways. If he advocates transparency, then he too must be transparent.

    Let me add one more thing - The rape charge against him looks suspicious, but I am going to wait and see how this plays out. If he was set up, then shame on them, but if it turns out that he DID commit rape, then he deserves to be in prison, whether or not people believe he did a good thing in leaking information.

    In 1973, President Nixon resigned, after Watergate broke. In impeaching Nixon, it was said that nobody is above the law. I still believe that. Nobody is above the law, and that includes the asshole who is whining about leaks that concern him. If facing the music was good enough for Nixon, it is certainly good enough for Assange.
    I agree with you 100%. But the leaking of the police report was not done for transparency but to attempt to hurt his jury pool and make people dislike him. There is a difference between trying to get government transparency through leaking classified documents and leaking a police report to purposely try to sabotage the jury pool.

    Now I'll admit that I have absolutely no proof that they are trying to hurt the jury pool. But to me the whole situation just reeks of foul play all pointed at trying to get rid of Assaunge in a dirty fashion.
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    Re: Lawyers cry foul over leak of Julian Assange sex-case papers

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    For me it'd kind of depend on the kind of financial support they're getting.

    Is it like a government contractor, where the government is your primary means of funding or you're working on behalf of hte government, then yeah it fits into that quasi kind of situation.

    Is it a situation where the government owns the area of location and they've contracted you out to run it...such as contracting a security company to secure the premisis of an office building? Then again, I can kind of see that.

    If you get some subsidy because you're manufacturing "green" products and there's a government incentive out there that gives your company money for producing "X" amount of "green" products? Then no, I don't think that company is any more a quasi-government entity than an individual getting a tax credit for buying a hybrid.
    What about financial aid to keep a business going? Also it might be good to note that many people consider the Federal Reserve (and by association banks) to be a part of the government anyways.
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    Re: Lawyers cry foul over leak of Julian Assange sex-case papers

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    If no laws are broken, what's the problem? You seem to need gossip.
    How exactly are you suppose to know if a law was broken or not if they classify everything?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    He's attempting to "try" everyone he's going after in the "court of public opinion."
    When it comes to the government they should always be subject to public opinion. So....what's the problem here again?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No corporation has any power over you that you don't give it. You don't like them? Don't buy their stuff.
    This actually depends on the situation. You don't have to buy anything from them in order to be affected by them. Lawyers are a great example of this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    The fact that they happen to be large employers is irrelevant. They're still private. It's not your business.
    What they do privately is none of my business correct. What the government does with them however is my business as the government is suppose to represent me. (300 million other people also)

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You just like seeing dirt dished out.
    You just described at the very least 50% of US citizens. Papparazzi anyone?
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    Re: Lawyers cry foul over leak of Julian Assange sex-case papers

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You don't seem to understand what the "diplomatic cables" are.
    You said the cables revealed no wrongdoing and when I said you have a distorted of what constitutes wrongdoing you said maybe I wasn't paying attention to detail. I then asked you what details you are referring to and you come back with this. So how about you answer my question?

    What I do know is that while most of the stuff revealed about the U.S. government itself is small-time there is plenty of damaging material concerning foreign countries, allies and enemies, as well as material concerning multinational corporations.

    If no laws are broken, what's the problem? You seem to need gossip.
    No laws are broken with earmarks. Do you think that sort of information should not be given out? The thing about the law is many powerful people look for each and every way around it and make sure there are ways around it.

    He's attempting to "try" everyone he's going after in the "court of public opinion."
    They generally aren't facing charges or at least not the ones they should face. Assange is already facing charges and the people involved know what it is about so revealing it all to the public at a time when there are court proceedings going on definitely is different.

    So I guess I'm right; you think it's outrageous for it to happen to him because you like him.
    No, I think it is outrageous for people in power to attempt to corrupt the judicial process for political purposes.

    No corporation has any power over you that you don't give it.
    I agree with the literal meaning of this, but your intended meaning is far too simple-minded. You could throw "government" in there instead of corporation and it would still be accurate.

    The fact that they happen to be large employers is irrelevant. They're still private. It's not your business.
    What corporations do is very much the business of the people. Say I am not working for a company but a family member or friend is working for that company. I am sure there are some widows of oil rig workers wanting to see what was really going on in BP. Sure you will say that involves deaths so it is different, but then if someone had revealed said information before there was a incident perhaps there would not have been an incident at all.

    Generally you only recognize the importance of transparency when it is best suited to your needs. Obviously your perspective is that transparency is not terribly important indicating that it is not in your interests much at all for some reason.

    You just like seeing dirt dished out.
    I do rather like seeing the bad guys get their misdeeds splashed all over the media.

    Well, he's got you snowed.
    No, I just recognize when someone is doing good and when I see it I generally do not oppose it.
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    Re: Lawyers cry foul over leak of Julian Assange sex-case papers

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    I do rather like seeing the bad guys get their misdeeds splashed all over the media.

    And who are the 'bad guys' in your mind?


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    Re: Lawyers cry foul over leak of Julian Assange sex-case papers

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And who are the 'bad guys' in your mind?


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    the ones who object to their wrong doings being exposed to the light of day ... courtesy of wikileaks
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    Re: Lawyers cry foul over leak of Julian Assange sex-case papers

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the ones who object to their wrong doings being exposed to the light of day ... courtesy of wikileaks
    Cop out.


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    Re: Lawyers cry foul over leak of Julian Assange sex-case papers

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Cop out.


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    appears you simply - emphasis on simply - do not like the answer
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    Re: Lawyers cry foul over leak of Julian Assange sex-case papers

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    question asked
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    appears you simply - emphasis on simply - do not like the answer
    I'd have to agree here.
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