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    Re: Lawyers cry foul over leak of Julian Assange sex-case papers

    I figured that it would be a good idea to get Assaunges stated goals out in the open here since people seem to be not quoting him correctly...

    Our goal is to have a just civilization. That is sort of a personal motivating goal. And the message is transparency. It is important not to confuse the message with the goal. Nonetheless we believe that it is an excellent message. Gaining justice with transparency. It is a good way of doing that, it is also a good way of not making too many mistakes. We have a trans-political ideology, it is not right it is not left it is about understanding. Before you can give any advice, any program about how to deal with the world, how to put the civil into civilization. How to gain influence on people. Before you can have that program, first you have to understand what is actually going on.... And therefore any program or recommendation, any political ideology that comes out of that misunderstanding will itself be a misunderstanding. So, we say, to some degree all political ideologies are currently bankrupt. Because they do not have the raw ingredient they need to address the world. The raw ingredient to understand what is actually happening.
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    Re: Lawyers cry foul over leak of Julian Assange sex-case papers

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    So people keep saying. Yet, where is it?




    He's managing to do that, only not quite in the places he expected or that you and your ilk are hoping for.
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    Re: Lawyers cry foul over leak of Julian Assange sex-case papers

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I figured that it would be a good idea to get Assaunges stated goals out in the open here since people seem to be not quoting him correctly...



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    "Gaining justice with transparency". Sounds like the leaking of the charges against Assange meets WikiLeaks goals then.

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    Re: Lawyers cry foul over leak of Julian Assange sex-case papers

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    His stated goals are to bring down authoritarian governments. In that, yes I agree with him. Authoritorian governments always lead to oppression. Are you saying that the US is an authoritorian government?

    What? wait, no I don't think that the US is an authoritarian government. You seem to though. And you also have his goals wrong. As I have posted before, and maybe you can address this.


    [b]Mr. Assange is misunderstood in the media and among digirati as an advocate of transparency.p.b[ Instead, this battening down of the information hatches by the U.S. is precisely his goal. The reason he launched WikiLeaks is not that he's a whistlebloweróthere's no wrongdoing inherent in diplomatic cablesóbut because he hopes to hobble the U.S., which according to his underreported philosophy can best be done if officials lose access to a free flow of information.

    In 2006, Mr. Assange wrote a pair of essays, "State and Terrorist Conspiracies" and "Conspiracy as Governance." He sees the U.S. as an authoritarian conspiracy. "To radically shift regime behavior we must think clearly and boldly for if we have learned anything, it is that regimes do not want to be changed," he writes. "Conspiracies take information about the world in which they operate," he writes, and "pass it around the conspirators and then act on the result."

    His central plan is that leaks will restrict the flow of information among officialsó"conspirators" in his viewómaking government less effective. Or, as Mr. Assange puts it, "We can marginalize a conspiracy's ability to act by decreasing total conspiratorial power until it is no longer able to understand, and hence respond effectively to its environment. . . . An authoritarian conspiracy that cannot think efficiently cannot act to preserve itself."

    Berkeley blogger Aaron Bady last week posted a useful translation of these essays. He explains Mr. Assange's view this way: "While an organization structured by direct and open lines of communication will be much more vulnerable to outside penetration, the more opaque it becomes to itself (as a defense against the outside gaze), the less able it will be to 'think' as a system, to communicate with itself." Mr. Assange's idea is that with enough leaks, "the security state will then try to shrink its computational network in response, thereby making itself dumber and slower and smaller."

    Crovitz: Julian Assange, Information Anarchist - WSJ.com

    So his intent is not a noble one as you would describe it, but rather a direct attack on America.


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    Re: Lawyers cry foul over leak of Julian Assange sex-case papers

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What? wait, no I don't think that the US is an authoritarian government. You seem to though. And you also have his goals wrong. As I have posted before, and maybe you can address this.

    So his intent is not a noble one as you would describe it, but rather a direct attack on America.
    Perhaps you should read what he is trying to restrict the flow on instead of reading it second hand.

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    Re: Lawyers cry foul over leak of Julian Assange sex-case papers

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    "Gaining justice with transparency". Sounds like the leaking of the charges against Assange meets WikiLeaks goals then.
    1: wikileaks goals are not about the individual.

    2: How is justice gained by trying to taint the jury pool?
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    Re: Lawyers cry foul over leak of Julian Assange sex-case papers

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    1: wikileaks goals are not about the individual.
    And yet, a lot of individuals were named in the leaks were they not ??

    2: How is justice gained by trying to taint the jury pool?
    Happens all the time.

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    Re: Lawyers cry foul over leak of Julian Assange sex-case papers

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    And yet, a lot of individuals were named in the leaks were they not ??
    As they were not the target them being named are incidental.

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    Happens all the time.
    And this makes it right how...?
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    Re: Lawyers cry foul over leak of Julian Assange sex-case papers

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    As they were not the target them being named are incidental.



    And this makes it right how...?
    Naming them put a target on their backs. Assange has it easy compared to some of the people he put in danger by publishing their names.

    Maybe not right, but definitely poetic justice.

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    Re: Lawyers cry foul over leak of Julian Assange sex-case papers

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Naming them put a target on their backs. Assange has it easy compared to some of the people he put in danger by publishing their names.
    Incidental. His purpose was to expose the government. As such he targeted THEM. If he had targeted specific individuals on purpose then you would have a case, otherwise you do not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Maybe not right, but definitely poetic justice.
    "Poetic justice" does not equal Justice. Poetic justice is based upon a personal view which varies from person to person. Justice is based on law and is set in stone (metaphorically speaking).
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