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    Re: Lawyers cry foul over leak of Julian Assange sex-case papers

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Michael Frikken Moore wants to put up part of his bail. Doesn't that pretty much show which end of the political spectrum is more likely in Assange's camp?
    You do know that some conservatives support what he is doing? Here is just one example:

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    Re: Lawyers cry foul over leak of Julian Assange sex-case papers

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I would just like to point out that while he "might" be dead within a year wikileaks will not be. They will continue to do the work that is necessary.

    I'd like to point out that his stated goal is to expose, and destroy existing diplomatic relations, making countries retreat within themselves. Is this a positive thing for you?


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    Re: Lawyers cry foul over leak of Julian Assange sex-case papers

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    The diplomatic cables revealed pretty much no wrongdoing.
    You must have a really distorted view of what it takes to reach the level of wrongdoing.

    Oh? What are these "plenty of possibilities"? Let's see them. And then explain exactly why it's anyone's business except theirs.
    Factors like close relations with officials or regulators. Things that are unethical, but are not technically illegal.

    And you seem to have ignored that in this case, with this "private individual," the leaked papers concerned criminal activity.
    He is already being pursued for that criminal activity so there is no logical reason why it should be leaked to anyone unless the intent is to prejudice the justice system in favor of the State.

    They're both private and not accountable to YOU.
    Corporations are legal entities and not simply private individuals. Pretty much every major corporation is somehow tied up in the state apparatus and they govern the affairs of thousands of people.

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    Then you either have a very limited scope of what he's said, or you have a warped definition of "good."
    What do you think would be so warped about it?
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    Re: Lawyers cry foul over leak of Julian Assange sex-case papers

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I'd like to point out that his stated goal is to expose, and destroy existing diplomatic relations, making countries retreat within themselves. Is this a positive thing for you?


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    Re: Lawyers cry foul over leak of Julian Assange sex-case papers

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    You must have a really distorted view of what it takes to reach the level of wrongdoing.
    Or maybe you're not paying much attention to detail.

    Factors like close relations with officials or regulators. Things that are unethical, but are not technically illegal.
    Entirely internal affair. You may not like it, but it's not your business.


    He is already being pursued for that criminal activity so there is no logical reason why it should be leaked to anyone unless the intent is to prejudice the justice system in favor of the State.
    I see. For him, it's just wrong. For those you don't worship, it's fine.


    Corporations are legal entities and not simply private individuals. Pretty much every major corporation is somehow tied up in the state apparatus and they govern the affairs of thousands of people.
    Melodramatic much? They "govern the affairs" of no one who doesn't grant them that ability.


    What do you think would be so warped about it?
    You simply cheer on his crusade to do harm to entities you don't care for.
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    Re: Lawyers cry foul over leak of Julian Assange sex-case papers

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Umm..yeah..sure.
    Is that it? I mean you said that what Assange was doing was positive, so I am asking, do you really agree with his goals?


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    Re: Lawyers cry foul over leak of Julian Assange sex-case papers

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Or maybe you're not paying much attention to detail.
    What details would those be?

    Entirely internal affair. You may not like it, but it's not your business.
    Are you seriously saying the relationship between government officials and business is none of our business?

    I see. For him, it's just wrong. For those you don't worship, it's fine.
    I do not worship the man, but what he is doing is exposing abuses by government and business so the fact said forces would seek to try him in the court of public opinion to diminish his efforts is quite upsetting to me.

    Melodramatic much? They "govern the affairs" of no one who doesn't grant them that ability.
    If it were not for the fact that major corporations are the source of much of our jobs directly or indirectly that might be a good point. Without a job you can't get money. Without money you can't buy goods. Without goods you can't live.

    You simply cheer on his crusade to do harm to entities you don't care for.
    His crusade is against the authoritarian qualities of governments around the world. I would said that is a crusade to cheer on.
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    Re: Lawyers cry foul over leak of Julian Assange sex-case papers

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Every document? Probably not, but those are more likely to be the ones that cannot even be construed as harmful.
    Still, you can't suggest the release of the documents was simply in hopes of "exposing wrong doing" if he clearly exposed documents that DIDN'T show any wrong doing.

    Except it does as the poster insisted that leaking information from private corporations was no different than leaking information about a private individual. I can think of plenty of possibilities where something should be exposed about a private corporation despite being technically legal.

    I don't know what you are talking about there. My argument is simply that private corporations should not be equated with private individuals.
    You'd have a point, if the topic was Private Individual vs Corporation. However the discussion was concerning Government vs Private, and its quite clear and obvious that a corporation falls far more in line with the realm of private, similar to a citizen, then it does with government.

    Kal'stang, who the original person bringing up corporations was responding to, was specifically suggesting a difference between a governmental entity and a private one...and a corporation is undeniably in the "private" category rather than the "governmental" one and as such, in the scope of the actual topic, it IS similar to a private individual

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    Re: Lawyers cry foul over leak of Julian Assange sex-case papers

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Kal'stang, who the original person bringing up corporations was responding to, was specifically suggesting a difference between a governmental entity and a private one...and a corporation is undeniably in the "private" category rather than the "governmental" one and as such, in the scope of the actual topic, it IS similar to a private individual
    Well this actually depends on your way of thinking really. According to some people from the TSA thread if a company recieves tax payer money then it is no longer strictly a private company, but a government one at most. A mix of the two at the least.
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    Re: Lawyers cry foul over leak of Julian Assange sex-case papers

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Is that it? I mean you said that what Assange was doing was positive, so I am asking, do you really agree with his goals?


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    His stated goals are to bring down authoritarian governments. In that, yes I agree with him. Authoritorian governments always lead to oppression. Are you saying that the US is an authoritorian government?
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