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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I would rather the illegal immigration problem be slowed down to a trickle than to just leave the flood gates open.We should secure the border.
    Too costly and impossible to do. The better approach is to cut down on illegal immigration by making it unattractive to come here illegally in the first place. Of course, we need to keep in mind that in order to sustain a worker to retiree ratio to support entitlements, we need immigrants as our natural birthrate is not sufficient and is only getting worse as the boomers retire.

    We should crack down on the scum who hire illegals by jailing them,revoking their business license
    ok, of course my maid is an illegal. See below regarding jail.

    and make them subject to assets seizure and forfeiture law.
    Absolutely not. This ought to be made unconstitutional. If I commit a crime, you should not have access to my stuff. Police departments nation-wide abuse this regularly.

    Since it takes two to tango we should also throw illegals who are caught into jail 6 for six months(assuming this is their first offense and only crime)
    Where will we put them? Prisons are overcrowded due to drug war minimum sentencing and they are letting murderers and rapists off on early parole to make room.

    before sending them back their country.
    ok, but make em take a test for residency. We want the smart ones to stay as legal immigrants.

    We do not need to legalize any illegal that is here
    Why not? Make em take a test (english, US history, ...) and give them residence status if they pass.

    We should also do things on the local level to entice illegals to go back to their countries-

    1.No tax payer funded services(driver's licenses, food handler permits,IDs, business licenses and etc) for illegals. The fact someone is here illegally means that they should not be allowed to walk into a government office without being arrested.
    ok.

    2. Require financial institutions(banks,check cashing places and money wiring services ) to require a valid state ID.
    ok.

    3. Require auto-dealerships new and used to not sell vehicles to anyone without a valid state issued driver's license.
    ok.

    4.Require schools to verify that the parents are actually residents of the state(illegals can not be residents of the state) and have local valid state issued IDs or driver's licenses.
    ok.

    5.No tax payer funded benefits(welfare,food stamps, education and etc.)or illegals.Again the fact someone is here illegally means that they should not be allowed to walk into a government office without being arrested.
    ok.

    6.Require the police to verify the legal status of everyone they pull over for a traffic offense. This one no one can falsely claim discrimination or racial profiling. This would also get illegals from Canada and European countries and other illegals who can easily blend in with the local population.
    Nope, this violates the fourth amendment.

    7.Require hospitals to report illegals to authorities. If they have to report gun shot wounds and child abuse then there is no reason we can't require hospitals to report illegals.
    ok.

    8.Enact something similar to Arizona's law that makes it hard to pick up day laborers.
    ok.

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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

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    If East Germany could, we could. Alaska Republican Senate nominee Joe Miller

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    The opinions suggesting planting land mines and executing illegal immigrants are appropriate courses of action in securing our borders, are monstrous in my eyes. National leaders who offer such policy prescriptions are not serious people in my opinion.
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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No, people traveled back and forth with some frequency.
    5000 people are said to have escaped the berlin wall from 1975-1989 (that was the time of the fourth generation wall). Hmm... 5000 people escaped in 14 years time...I would say that is a damn sight better than what we have now. And I'm quite sure that we could do better with our more advanced technology that is available today.
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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    5000 people are said to have escaped the berlin wall from 1975-1989 (that was the time of the fourth generation wall). Hmm... 5000 people escaped in 14 years time...I would say that is a damn sight better than what we have now. And I'm quite sure that we could do better with our more advanced technology that is available today.
    Compare the border length and think what would be likely.
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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Too costly and impossible to do. The better approach is to cut down on illegal immigration by making it unattractive to come here illegally in the first place. Of course, we need to keep in mind that in order to sustain a worker to retiree ratio to support entitlements, we need immigrants as our natural birthrate is not sufficient and is only getting worse as the boomers retire.
    Hmm...a nations security vs money....I think I'll choose security thanks. As for needing immigrants...that is why we have work visa's, student visa's and ways for immigrants to become legal citizens.

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    ok, of course my maid is an illegal. See below regarding jail.



    Absolutely not. This ought to be made unconstitutional. If I commit a crime, you should not have access to my stuff. Police departments nation-wide abuse this regularly.
    If you commit a crime then be prepared to suffer the consequences. Don't like? Don't do the crime.

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Where will we put them? Prisons are overcrowded due to drug war minimum sentencing and they are letting murderers and rapists off on early parole to make room.
    I'm sure we can find someplace. How about the Great Basin Desert? Deserts aren't really used that much anyways.

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    ok, but make em take a test for residency. We want the smart ones to stay as legal immigrants.
    No.

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Why not? Make em take a test (english, US history, ...) and give them residence status if they pass.
    No.

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    Nope, this violates the fourth amendment.
    No actually it doesn't. If it did then cops would not be able to ask for your name and ID.
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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    How does an illegal get their kid in school?

    Don't you need a birth certificate to prove his/her age to know what class to put them in?

    If there is no documentation, at that point the family should be looked at.

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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    How does an illegal get their kid in school?

    Don't you need a birth certificate to prove his/her age to know what class to put them in?

    If there is no documentation, at that point the family should be looked at.
    It's illegal to discriminate against the beneficiaries of illegality.

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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Hmm...a nations security vs money....I think I'll choose security thanks. As for needing immigrants...that is why we have work visa's, student visa's and ways for immigrants to become legal citizens.
    agreed on the legal route. But this is why I add testing of illegals to determine if they should stay. Make that a legal means. We should also test for the other mechanisms you list.

    If you commit a crime then be prepared to suffer the consequences. Don't like? Don't do the crime.
    Horse****. If you wish to levy a fine, that's fine, but to seize all assets is wrong. This is especially dire in the drug war, since they can seize property without a guilty conviction.


    I'm sure we can find someplace. How about the Great Basin Desert? Deserts aren't really used that much anyways.
    You are delusional.


    No actually it doesn't. If it did then cops would not be able to ask for your name and ID.
    Yes, you are right. I misread the item somehow as randomly stopping people. The item says that if a traffic offense is committed giving probably cause.

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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Too costly and impossible to do. The better approach is to cut down on illegal immigration by making it unattractive to come here illegally in the first place.
    We need to do a combination of things to fix our illegal immigration problem and bring it down a trickle. Considering the fact we give away billions to other counties the cost of adequately securing the border is not an issue.

    Of course, we need to keep in mind that in order to sustain a worker to retiree ratio to support entitlements, we need immigrants as our natural birthrate is not sufficient and is only getting worse as the boomers retire.
    We can do that with legal immigration.We do not have to reward trespassers.

    Absolutely not. This ought to be made unconstitutional. If I commit a crime, you should not have access to my stuff. Police departments nation-wide abuse this regularly.
    If your money and assets are a result of your criminal activity or used for illegal activities then you should not entitled to keep any of it. Grant it there should be a system in place to prevent abuse,determine how much was used for illegal actives or obtained from illegal actives and only allow for seizure after a conviction. Seeing how we treat drug dealers and other criminals who profit from and or use their money for illegal activities a scumbag who hires illegals should be treated no different.


    ok, of course my maid is an illegal. See below regarding jail.

    Where will we put them? Prisons are overcrowded due to drug war minimum sentencing and they are letting murderers and rapists off on early parole to make room.
    Usually someone sentenced to a very short amount of time (a year or less) is stuck in a jail while someone sentenced to longer terms are stuck in prisons. So they wouldn't be stuck behind bars with murderers and rapists. If overcrowding becomes an issue then they can do what many states and cities have done and resort to tent cities to make up for costs.And as a famous sheriff in Arizona proved you can feed inmates bologna sandwiches and water.

    ok, but make em take a test for residency. We want the smart ones to stay as legal immigrants.
    I do not want anyone staying who has no regard for our sovereignty and immigration laws. Our immigration policies should not discriminated between the more and less educated. As a matter of fact if they are caught then they should have their biometric data stored and used to permanently deny that individual entry into the US regardless of the reason they want it. Now if they want to go back to their country and come in and stay the legal way then sure let them stay.


    Why not?
    Legalizing encourages more illegal immigrations and rewards it. That is why not.


    Make em take a test (english, US history, ...) and give them residence status if they pass.
    They come here legally and do that.Besides that we have something like that its called naturalization.

    Nope, this violates the fourth amendment.
    How so considering the fact that when the police pull you over for a traffic offense they can see if you have any warrants? In some states they do not even have to pull you over to see if you have insurance, if you have fines and other ****.
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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Compare the border length and think what would be likely.
    So? Let me guess...too costly? What is cost compared to security? Or lets put it this way...how much of that fence (and all that I suggested to go with it) could have been built for the cost of two wars?
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