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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Children always pay for thier parents mistakes. It is the way life is. If a childs dad has a reputation of being nasty you can be sure that the child will get attention for that..and not in a positive way. Children also have to pay for thier parents bills when the parent dies.
    All the more reason to make things easier for them, not harder. I'm not saying give them automatic citizenship, but at least give them the opportunity to finish their education and then earn the right to stay in the country by serving in the military for a couple of years.
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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    If people were actually serious about tackling immigration they wouldnt go this route. Im just surprised that their wasnt more support from both warmongering blues and reds because they would have access to another nation to kill foreigners with. It wouldve been good for the warmongering statists; "Hey lets get the illegals to kill the Muslims, Arabs and Pashtuns! That way we dont have to send our brats to the slaughter!"


    If people were actually serious about illegal immigration they would look at the root causes of why illegals come here.

    Contrary to the Buchanan dribble that they are out to kill white people or any other bull**** explanation its because;

    1. The Welfare system

    In my research Mexico doesn't have a welfare system like we have, there is none. Instead of bitching about them being on welfare rolls, how about railing against the welfare system. If people are actually serious about cutting spending, entitlement programs should be top priority. This has to be one of the most overlooked issue in the debate for the fact its easier to squawk that they're welfare bums.

    2. Employers hiring illegals

    Many in this find it easier to support police state tactics when your there the target. Of course when the tactics are used against you, you scream fowl and police state but only because you have been target not because its actually wrong on various levels. 9 times out of 10 illegals come here to work and make money, the way to remedy this is to strengthen employment laws. If your records dont match, you cant get a job. When they cant find work, they leave
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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I wouldn't say impossible. Hard, most certainly, but not impossible.

    Two layers of razor fencing with land mines in between the fences and seismic monitors paced far enough apart that you can zero in on where the land mine explodes (or someone walks) with in 5 meters. Enough agents to cover the area to where there is at least 1 agent per half mile. All agents armed with a full arsenal of guns to shoot anyone that manages to get past the fences/mines. (of course before they shoot them they should determine if they are here illegally first. Don't want to kill innocents)

    For those that come here on ships...search every single ship that comes into port with dogs and the proper technology to find hidden panels. Once the illegals are found....shoot em. Then shoot the Captain of the ship.

    I would imagine that with this kind of security then NO ONE would even want to attempt to come into the country illegally.
    Can you think of any country that has ever managed to really secure it's borders? I can't think of a single one. The cost alone would be prohibitive, and your suggestion won't do it.
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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Can you think of any country that has ever managed to really secure it's borders? I can't think of a single one. The cost alone would be prohibitive, and your suggestion won't do it.
    So just because you can't secure your borders 100% you don't secure them at all? The complaint is a lack of effort to do much of anything at all. We can do a lot more. Reasonable people realize there are limits but what we are doing, or more accurately not doing, is ridiculous.

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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    The mere fact that we have elected officials that even considered this idea is fantastically unbelievable.

    But we do.

    Wow.

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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    So just because you can't secure your borders 100% you don't secure them at all? The complaint is a lack of effort to do much of anything at all. We can do a lot more. Reasonable people realize there are limits but what we are doing, or more accurately not doing, is ridiculous.
    That is not what I said. At all. In fact, this is:

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    To me, I think DREAM would work if, at least for now, it allowed those who came into the country under the age of 16 and have broken no other laws to serve in the military(if they qualify otherwise, ie if they can get in) and serve 4 years to get access to the chance to attain citizenship. Along with that, we need to do things to slow as much as possible(it's impossible to completely end illegal immigration) by going after employers and those in the country illegally and making it more difficult to enter the country illegally. I think all this should be done together.
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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Can you think of any country that has ever managed to really secure it's borders? I can't think of a single one. The cost alone would be prohibitive, and your suggestion won't do it.
    The Soviet Union.

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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is not what I said. At all. In fact, this is:
    So we kind of agree. I am just insisting that we do things in reverse order otherwise Congress will do nothing on the enforcement front. They'll just pass DREAM and follow it with other compassionate and nice sounding bills that get people labled as insensitive if they are against them. I am not playing that game with the jerks in Congress.

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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    The Soviet Union.
    Nope, they did not succeed in that.
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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Nope, they did not succeed in that.
    To what extent did they fail and how do you know?

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