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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    These are kids who through no fault of their own are here, who in many cases have no personal recollection of any other country but this one, who are among the top achievers of our public school systems, and who have enormous potential to contribute to our society and strengthen our nation. The DREAM act empowers that realization and in my opinion it is only human shortsightedness that prevents this urgently needed legislation from being the law of the land.
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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    These are kids who through no fault of their own are here, who in many cases have no personal recollection of any other country but this one, who are among the top achievers of our public school systems, and who have enormous potential to contribute to our society and strengthen our nation. The DREAM act empowers that realization and in my opinion it is only human shortsightedness that prevents this urgently needed legislation from being the law of the land.
    As the saying goes,
    "Law's the law." and "Life's unfair."

    The only thing I would approve is the military service will help them with citizenship, but that's just me. If they are willing to put their lives on the line for a country, wouldn't it be good for them to be part of that country? But for education, ummmm there's a line... And it starts with the legal residents and the student visas.
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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    These are kids who through no fault of their own are here, who in many cases have no personal recollection of any other country but this one, who are among the top achievers of our public school systems, and who have enormous potential to contribute to our society and strengthen our nation. The DREAM act empowers that realization and in my opinion it is only human shortsightedness that prevents this urgently needed legislation from being the law of the land.
    I refuse to consider DREAM or any other immigration act an urgent issue until Hispanics are willing to compromise on immigration enforcement and border security.

    I think congress should take the best parts of the DREAM act, incorporate them into a bill that secures our borders and deports those here illegally. Perhaps a compromise can be reached with the Hispanic groups and they will get behind such legislation.

    What if congress made a law that gave all illegals 6 months or a year to go get ID proving their current residency and anyone without ID after that was subject to deportation via real enforcement of immigration laws? Getting an ID wouldn’t guarantee the right to become a citizen but it would be a way of proving when you were living here.

    If Hispanics aren’t interested in anything that doesn’t include an open border and citizenship for all, I have no interest in listening to their complaints and will push for immigration control only. If they can support border enforcement and immigration control, I’m willing to support the DREAM act and/or something better.

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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    As the saying goes,
    "Law's the law." and "Life's unfair."
    Right, and that's why they are trying to change the law....

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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    I'm willing to compromise.

    First, we need to take the steps necessary to stop the next wave of illegals. end birthright citizenship. ramp up illegal immigration enforcement of companies that hire illegally. Figure out a way to remove the economic advantage of coming to this country illegally.
    I agree with most of this. Ending "birthright citizenship" however will be almost impossible, and you know it..

    then and only then can we selectively reward children of law breakers, but only the children that can demonstrate themselves as assets in American life. They must be able to read and write, they must understand and appreciate our views on private property, and individual liberty.
    I am honestly torn on this issue. I am also against illegal immigration, but if these kids are graduating from college and serving in the active duty military, isn't that the kind of person the U.S. should welcome?
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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Children should never have to pay for their parents' mistakes. Anyone who was raised and educated in any given country from a very young age should have the opportunity to become a citizen of that country or at the very lest legal foreign residents. As Chappy said, many of them have never been back to their home country, many don't even speak their native language at all, not all of them are Hispanic or Mexican and can't easily cross oceans to rejoin a culture that has become completely alien to them. And some don't realize they're actually in the country illegally until they're almost adults. It makes no sense to deport these people whose life in the US as made them as American as if they were born there. If you're going to punish anyone, punish the parents. The kids don't deserve to be kicked out of the only country they call home. At least give them Green Cards, ffs.
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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Hopefully the dread act will stay dead. Illegals should not be rewarded with amnesty, especially if all they have to do is go to college or join a POG MOS.
    As far as college some will be treated better than American citizens. They would pay in state tuition while those from outside the state would not.
    We are not ready for this kind of reform.
    It's dead for now. It's catch 22. Dems won't secure the border. They think if they do Rep. won't vote for any kind of amnesty because they got what they wanted.
    Republicans won't vote for any kind of amnesty because the borders are wide open.

    I think we already fast track illegals who have served in our military.
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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Children should never have to pay for their parents' mistakes. Anyone who was raised and educated in any given country from a very young age should have the opportunity to become a citizen of that country or at the very lest legal foreign residents. As Chappy said, many of them have never been back to their home country, many don't even speak their native language at all, not all of them are Hispanic or Mexican and can't easily cross oceans to rejoin a culture that has become completely alien to them. And some don't realize they're actually in the country illegally until they're almost adults. It makes no sense to deport these people whose life in the US as made them as American as if they were born there. If you're going to punish anyone, punish the parents. The kids don't deserve to be kicked out of the only country they call home. At least give them Green Cards, ffs.
    Here's a thought. Send them back as soon as we realize the are here illegally. Don't allow them to go to our schools. Don't make them automatic citizens for being born here. Don't give them welfare, foodstamps and healthcare. Don't give them jobs. If we did that, there would be no need for a fence.
    We need to find a way to speed up the process so that it's not years of waiting in line to become legal. But there still needs to be a line.
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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    To me, I think DREAM would work if, at least for now, it allowed those who came into the country under the age of 16 and have broken no other laws to serve in the military(if they qualify otherwise, ie if they can get in) and serve 4 years to get access to the chance to attain citizenship. Along with that, we need to do things to slow as much as possible(it's impossible to completely end illegal immigration) by going after employers and those in the country illegally and making it more difficult to enter the country illegally. I think all this should be done together.
    I wouldn't say impossible. Hard, most certainly, but not impossible.

    Two layers of razor fencing with land mines in between the fences and seismic monitors paced far enough apart that you can zero in on where the land mine explodes (or someone walks) with in 5 meters. Enough agents to cover the area to where there is at least 1 agent per half mile. All agents armed with a full arsenal of guns to shoot anyone that manages to get past the fences/mines. (of course before they shoot them they should determine if they are here illegally first. Don't want to kill innocents)

    For those that come here on ships...search every single ship that comes into port with dogs and the proper technology to find hidden panels. Once the illegals are found....shoot em. Then shoot the Captain of the ship.

    I would imagine that with this kind of security then NO ONE would even want to attempt to come into the country illegally.
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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Oh, for my "compromise", once my above post has been implemented then anyone that wants to serve in the US military for X amount of time (say 10 years?) and is discharged honorably could become an automatic citizen. If that person has a spouse/children then they too can become automatic citizens provided they pass a criminal background check.

    Those that come here on a student visa and wants to become a citizen must serve in the related field that they chose to be in for 10 years for the government. During that service basic nessicities(sp?) will be payed for (this will include clothing and a car to get to work (and only for work) food and housing) and get a $100 monthly allowance for extra "wants".
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