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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I was wondering - what does it say about somebody when the reality of the truth is what makes them look bad?
    Who died and left liberals in charge of the truth? how arrogant.


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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Gee we always hear from Buchanites that illegals are draining welfare rolls. How about instead of bitching about welare, social security, medicade, medicare we actually do the right thing and get rid of these blatantly unconstitutional programs.
    Yeah, figured you were talking about those. No they are not unconstitutional. And if you did get rid of them just what exactly do you think would happen?
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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I was wondering - what does it say about somebody when the reality of the truth is what makes them look bad? How can the Dems simply asking for or getting a vote make anybody look bad in and of itself? Would not the actions of the people themselves in fighting that vote or in casting their vote in a certain way be the factor that make them look bad?
    Depends on the situation really. If the Dems already knew how the votes would go then yeah..they could be seen as setting things up to look bad for the Reps. Is that what happened? Possibly, but without proof it is just conjecture and isn't really worth talking about until/if it becomes fact.
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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Depends on the situation really. If the Dems already knew how the votes would go then yeah..they could be seen as setting things up to look bad for the Reps. Is that what happened? Possibly, but without proof it is just conjecture and isn't really worth talking about until/if it becomes fact.
    That would be only true if the Dems actually DID NOT WANT the law they were trying to get the Republicans to vote against in order to for it not pass but claiming they did want it to pass. Do things like that really happen?

    If the republicans look bad to certain groups it is because their actual position was bad. You take a position and you take the consequences of that position. I think that is what several GOP women called "manning up".
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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That would be only true if the Dems actually DID NOT WANT the law they were trying to get the Republicans to vote against in order to for it not pass but claiming they did want it to pass. Do things like that really happen?
    Not necessarily. Dems/Reps put forth a bill that they want done but knows the other side will try and block it. If it gets passed then GREAT! If not then "oh well...at least we accomplished part of our goal." Sometimes something is better than nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If the republicans look bad to certain groups it is because their actual position was bad. You take a position and you take the consequences of that position. I think that is what several GOP women called "manning up".
    Very true..but what exactly was in the Dream Act (or any other on the surface wanted item)? That is something that hyper-partisan hacks will always try and gloss over. What was in it? Is there something in there that would be bad? And that was the reason that a particular party voted against it?

    Point is that it is not hard to write a bill that the general populace may want, but hide something in it that the party wants but they know the other side is against. When looking to the future sometimes it is better to loose battles in order to make the other side look bad so that the people will be on your side. It's actually quite an old tactic that was used long before the US ever was even thought of.
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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Nope, no conspiracy to it, other than coincidental. But, liberals in the far left that just got told to hit the road, are just childish enough to do something like that.

    Look, demo's have no interest in Hispanics or any other group in the US other than what they can exploit for votes.


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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If the republicans look bad to certain groups it is because their actual position was bad. You take a position and you take the consequences of that position. I think that is what several GOP women called "manning up".
    That's exactly right. In their faces. Stir the cauldron. No peace.

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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yeah, figured you were talking about those. No they are not unconstitutional. And if you did get rid of them just what exactly do you think would happen?
    Where in our constitution does it say that the federal government has the right to establish a welfare and health care system? What should happen is that people start to realize that depending on the government is nothing but a horrible idea
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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I was wondering - what does it say about somebody when the reality of the truth is what makes them look bad? How can the Dems simply asking for or getting a vote make anybody look bad in and of itself? Would not the actions of the people themselves in fighting that vote or in casting their vote in a certain way be the factor that make them look bad?
    Since when are bills sent to a vote without so much as five minutes of deliberation?

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