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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Im pretty sure the South, the Bible Belt and West Coast dont give a damm about the North East and vice versa. The midwest is a toss up




    Such as.....
    It won't be broken down by region. It will not be an orderly process. There won't be a constitutional convention to determine the future. There will be chaos.

    Foreseeable consequences...diminished standard of living, racial violence, further Mexican colonization...

    Unknowable consequences...the disappearance of American power will create a political vacuum...there will be wars that can't be predicted.

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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

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    "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate - Yahoo! News



    This is one where I have to come down on the same side as republicans. I like the concept of DREAM, but I think, at least for now, it should be limited to military service as the route to access to citizenship.
    I might also point out that allowing illegal immigrants citizenship via the military is a terrible idea for your military forces. Consider the examples of Texas or South Africa -- both times, immigrants were granted amnesty, or citizenship for serving in the military (in Texas, American immigrants to Mexico, and in South Africa, English immigrants to Boere held Transvaal). Eventually, there came to be so many of X ethnic group in the military that the military decided it would be better to support the interests of X ethnic group (Mexico, in this scenario), instead of their new country.

    Not saying this is an inevitability, only something to chew on, and think about.

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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    I might also point out that allowing illegal immigrants citizenship via the military is a terrible idea for your military forces. Consider the examples of Texas or South Africa -- both times, immigrants were granted amnesty, or citizenship for serving in the military (in Texas, American immigrants to Mexico, and in South Africa, English immigrants to Boere held Transvaal). Eventually, there came to be so many of X ethnic group in the military that the military decided it would be better to support the interests of X ethnic group (Mexico, in this scenario), instead of their new country.

    Not saying this is an inevitability, only something to chew on, and think about.
    That is a nonissue.
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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is a nonissue.
    Just saying it isn't an issue doesn't make the issue go away. Why is this a nonissue? Many of the Mexican citizens where I live are in love with Mexico and think poorly of America.

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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Just saying it isn't an issue doesn't make the issue go away. Why is this a nonissue? Many of the Mexican citizens where I live are in love with Mexico and think poorly of America.
    I don't get this. Mexico has devolved into a lawless chaos of territorial warlords and drug cartels, amidst what has been a poverty-stricken wasteland completely devoid of opportunity. Here, they find law, peace, opportunity, and decency.

    Where does this pride come from in the motherland?

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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    I don't get this. Mexico has devolved into a lawless chaos of territorial warlords and drug cartels, amidst what has been a poverty-stricken wasteland completely devoid of opportunity. Here, they find law, peace, opportunity, and decency.

    Where does this pride come from in the motherland?
    Memory is a funny thing. Mexicans love their culture. They remember the good things and forget the bad things. I think they are also conscious of the fact that they are deeply resented because of the burden they place on the taxpayers of California who are compelled to provide social welfare benefits for them.

    Mexicans and Anglos walk past each other on the sidewalks here and our eyes never meet. We ignore each other. This is the new America.

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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Obama is right. This was a defeat for common sense.

    Since it isn't logistically possible to extricate illegals from the regional economies they plugged into (local governments won't consistently cooperate), not to mention the social and cultural connections they've made, most of the ones already here aren't going anywhere. That's why we gave in during the 80s, because we didn't have much of a choice. We're in the same situation now that we were then, because we didn't seal the border.

    Putting aside whether or not we should seal the border, there's nothing to be done about the people we have here now without invoking some kind of martial law and causing a bunch of chaos. Since it is the case that they "have" to be part of our community, we might as well implement a process of meritocratic selection to determine which of them ought to be politically empowered members.
    The issue for America is will it have a new underclass of people. I see it as, “Been there, done that.” We know that is a disaster for our society which leaves long lasting divisions. We must support every mechanism available to integrate and enfranchise this latest wave of economic immigrants for our own nation's sake.
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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    The issue for America is will it have a new underclass of people. I see it as, “Been there, done that.” We know that is a disaster for our society which leaves long lasting divisions. We must support every mechanism available to integrate and enfranchise this latest wave of economic immigrants for our own nation's sake.
    Your country is broke, poorly educated, semi-skilled, and is financially unstable. Your country will be like Venezuela with a rich white ruling class and a poor brown underclass.

    In California where you and I live the middle class is disappearing. That's because you and those you support have run this state into the ground. That's what you intend for the whole country.

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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    These are kids who through no fault of their own are here, who in many cases have no personal recollection of any other country but this one, who are among the top achievers of our public school systems, and who have enormous potential to contribute to our society and strengthen our nation. The DREAM act empowers that realization and in my opinion it is only human shortsightedness that prevents this urgently needed legislation from being the law of the land.


    what if they arent among the top acheivers in our public school system, OR
    they do know another country, just more recently this one.

    Do we include a boatload of haitian children that managed to wash up on the shores of Miami and scurried into the population for 10 minutes or so before being caught?

    i'm not sure your side has thought these things out...as usual

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    Re: "Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by shades View Post
    what if they arent among the top acheivers in our public school system, OR
    they do know another country, just more recently this one.

    Do we include a boatload of haitian children that managed to wash up on the shores of Miami and scurried into the population for 10 minutes or so before being caught?

    i'm not sure your side has thought these things out...as usual
    You should read up on what the DREAM Act is actually about before posting.
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