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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisanhack View Post
    I agree with this bit at least.

    We should've implemented a Battlestar Galactica style military long ago.
    It would very likely cause many issues that would very likely be detrimental to our military. On a small scale, in certain areas, it could very well work, but it is unlikely to work for the entire military. The chances of mutual attractions occurring between servicemembers is very high. The fact that men and women are not used to sharing such spaces in civilian life. It would be quite an event that is very likely to lead to a lot of problems if done throughout the military.
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It would very likely cause many issues that would very likely be detrimental to our military. On a small scale, in certain areas, it could very well work, but it is unlikely to work for the entire military. The chances of mutual attractions occurring between servicemembers is very high. The fact that men and women are not used to sharing such spaces in civilian life. It would be quite an event that is very likely to lead to a lot of problems if done throughout the military.
    I think that the lesson we can take from any kind of intergration initiative in the military (blacks, women, etc) is that things are never as bad as people say they will be.

    The less a soldier focuses on human aspects of themself (such as gender), the better off I think our military will be. It might be an awkward transition, but I think that the end of DADT will turn out to be a gold star on the track record of military professionalism, and that will give me even more confidence that the military is more capable of adaptation than people give it credit for.

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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisanhack View Post
    I agree with this bit at least.

    We should've implemented a Battlestar Galactica style military long ago.
    Totally agree. Starbuck is my secret girl crush!


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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisanhack View Post
    I think that the lesson we can take from any kind of intergration initiative in the military (blacks, women, etc) is that things are never as bad as people say they will be.

    The less a soldier focuses on human aspects of themself (such as gender), the better off I think our military will be. It might be an awkward transition, but I think that the end of DADT will turn out to be a gold star on the track record of military professionalism, and that will give me even more confidence that the military is more capable of adaptation than people give it credit for.
    I agree, and know that I can at least share changing facilities with a group of 15+ male sailors with all of us able to be completely professional (although there were some who were uncomfortable with it, because they didn't know me and actually were afraid that i would make accusations of sexual harassment, eventhough I was the one who asked our Chief if it would be okay because I was tired of having to go to the gym to change while the guys could change in the shop).

    I am just trying to be realistic. I, personally, wouldn't have a problem with coed military facilities, but do understand that everyone wasn't raised like me. My mother taught us all early on that the human body was just that, a body. In her view, there is nothing sexual about just a naked human body. A naked human body can be sexual, in certain situations, but usually, it isn't. Unfortunately, this is not how most people are taught. And this is very evident by our indecency laws. We consider naked people walking around to be not only illegal but grounds for the person to be put on a sex offender list, even if they were just naked. Look how many people have a fit about a woman breastfeeding in public. We are not ready for men and women in the military to share living spaces, overall, yet.
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I agree, and know that I can at least share changing facilities with a group of 15+ male sailors with all of us able to be completely professional (although there were some who were uncomfortable with it, because they didn't know me and actually were afraid that i would make accusations of sexual harassment, eventhough I was the one who asked our Chief if it would be okay because I was tired of having to go to the gym to change while the guys could change in the shop).

    I am just trying to be realistic. I, personally, wouldn't have a problem with coed military facilities, but do understand that everyone wasn't raised like me. My mother taught us all early on that the human body was just that, a body. In her view, there is nothing sexual about just a naked human body. A naked human body can be sexual, in certain situations, but usually, it isn't. Unfortunately, this is not how most people are taught. And this is very evident by our indecency laws. We consider naked people walking around to be not only illegal but grounds for the person to be put on a sex offender list, even if they were just naked. Look how many people have a fit about a woman breastfeeding in public. We are not ready for men and women in the military to share living spaces, overall, yet.
    I think you're right in a sense, but the great thing about the military is that if people aren't ready, then you can force them to be ready.

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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisanhack View Post
    I think you're right in a sense, but the great thing about the military is that if people aren't ready, then you can force them to be ready.
    I'd rather just wait til there is a good chance that it will be able to be implemented without a lot of problems. The time most likely will come eventually. But, right now, segregation by gender works fine and doesn't have noticable impacts on most personnel (there are some exceptions, and I would be completely open to the consideration of changing policies for those particular instances to make facilities coed). The policies aren't forcing people out based on the gender and don't separate people who aren't normally separated. The policy should be flexible for certain instances and situations. And it might be a good idea to start using a more flexible policy on this issue in certain cases, such as small units with limited spacing.
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Totally agree. Starbuck is my secret girl crush!


    ...oh, would she not be there? Nevermind.
    Wasn't Starbuck a male in the original show?

    Hell, I think all the pilots were male in the original show (I only watched a few of each show, original and new) - Course', it was made much earlier...
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Then you need to explain exactly how I am wrong. Last time I looked, girls shower with girls and boys shower with boys in high school. It really doesn't matter what their sexuality is. It matters what their physical body says their gender is (although, granted, this is changing a little in some places with the more open acceptance of transgender people/kids, but that is a different issue and is not the normal).

    So, tell me how exactly a boys' shower is different than a girls' shower, in terms of sexuality.
    Girls showers have individual showers with curtains. Boys showers are a row of nozzles on a wall.
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Girls showers have individual showers with curtains. Boys showers are a row of nozzles on a wall.
    I picture you explaining this in a parent's "birds and bees" type of voice. Then I laughed.
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Girls showers have individual showers with curtains. Boys showers are a row of nozzles on a wall.
    Hmm....Its strange that you would know this.
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