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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Slightly more info: Plan for implementing DADT repeal

    Go to page 32, copy paste doesn't work so good from this. Recommendation of not being able to assign billets or shower space based on orientation.
    From your link...

    The Department of Defense prohibit berthing or billeting assignments based on sexual orientation, except that commanders should retain the authority to alter berthing or billeting assignments on an individualized, case-by-case basis, in the interest of maintaining morale, good order, and discipline, consistent with performance of mission.

    The Department of Defense prohibit the designation of separate bathroom or bathing facilities based on sexual orientation except that commanders would have the authority to accommodate privacy requests on an individualized, case-by-case basis, in the interest of maintaining morale, good order, and discipline, consistent with performance of mission.
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He's saying that, now. When there are too many problems arising from the transition, he will change his tune. Not to mention, he can't control the local policies of various commands.

    From Red's link:


    Commanders aren't going to sacrifice discipline and order, just to be PC.
    So that kind of supports what I'm saying. There will not be a policy of seperate billeting. As for these huge issues looming over the horizon, we'll just have to see, won't we?
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Sure, Deuce. I'd love to show you.



    Long way from 99%. Eh, mate?
    So you're comparing "a sexual remark" numbers to "sexual harrassment" numbers.


    "A sexual remark" numbers would probably be 99%+ for any group of women.
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    So that kind of supports what I'm saying. There will not be a policy of seperate billeting. As for these huge issues looming over the horizon, we'll just have to see, won't we?
    Except, the implementation plan does say,

    [quote]The Department of Defense prohibit berthing or billeting assignments based on sexual orientation, except that commanders should retain the authority to alter berthing or billeting assignments on an individualized, case-by-case basis, in the interest of maintaining morale, good order, and discipline, consistent with performance of mission.

    Which basically gives local commanders the authority to alter housing arrangements. Lot's of leeway there.




    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So you're comparing "a sexual remark" numbers to "sexual harrassment" numbers.


    "A sexual remark" numbers would probably be 99%+ for any group of women.
    Allow me to quote the Army's sexual harassment policy, again:

    a. Verbal. Examples of verbal sexual harassment may include telling sexual jokes, using sexually explicit profanity,
    threats, sexually oriented jody calls, sexual comments, whistling in a sexually suggestive manner, and describing
    certain sexual attributes about one’s physical appearance. Verbal sexual harassment may also include using terms of
    endearment such as “ honey”, “ babe”, “ sweetheart”, “ dear”, “ stud” or “ hunk” in referring to soldiers, civilian coworkers
    or family members.
    So, yes, "sexual remarks", are considered sexual harassment, iin the United States Army.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Okay, where did he say that?
    Right here,

    The Commandant of the United States Marine Corps, General James Conway, has concerns about sleeping quarters for Marines in the event that "don't ask don't tell" (DADT) - the military policy that prevents gays and lesbians in the Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force, and Coast Guard from serving openly - is repealed. In the Stars and Stripes article of August 25, 2010 by Kevin Baron "Commandant Repeats Gay Bunking Concerns," General Conway restates his commitment to establishing separate sleeping quarters for homosexual and heterosexual Marines.

    Commandant of the Marine Corps Separate Barracks for Gay Marines
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Right here,
    That was before the repeal. Anything recent?
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    That was before the repeal. Anything recent?
    Ya think he changed his mind? Recended any previous statements? Got a link for that?

    Without a link to that effect, we can only assume that he stand fast on his August statements.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ya think he changed his mind? Recended any previous statements? Got a link for that?

    Without a link to that effect, we can only assume that he stand fast on his August statements.
    I think he was posturing. He doesn't exactly run an autonomous country. He has to follow the rules like the rest of the military.
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ya think he changed his mind? Recended any previous statements? Got a link for that?

    Without a link to that effect, we can only assume that he stand fast on his August statements.
    I,ll take the Commandants word for it.

    <I, and the Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps [Carlton Kent], will personally lead this effort, thus ensuring the respect and dignity due all Marines,” Amos said. “On this matter, we look forward to further demonstrating to the American people the discipline and loyalty that have been the hallmark of the United States Marine Corps for over 235 years.>

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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    I think he was posturing. He doesn't exactly run an autonomous country. He has to follow the rules like the rest of the military.
    True and so far, there are no rules saying that he can't make whatever billetting policy he deems fit for his service.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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