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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Oh, perhaps you'd like link to where you got that 99% number?
    (hint: it was probably your ass)
    edit: (but don't worry, with DADT being repealed it's ok for you to link your ass sometimes I crack myself up)

    Next, show us the same figures for the US military, in the spirit of fairness.
    Sure, Deuce. I'd love to show you.

    WASHINGTON — One-third of women in the military and 6 percent of men said they were sexually harassed, according to the latest Pentagon survey on the issue.Military sexual harassment data released - U.S. news - Military - msnbc.com
    Long way from 99%. Eh, mate?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They won't stop living together
    Actually, they will, no matter how much you want it to be so.


    no matter how much you or others may want this to happen. Any objects can easily be met with the fact that straights have been living with gays the entire time. There is no proof that the majority of gay men or gay women would view a naked body of the gender that they are attracted to as a sexual object and/or not be able to act professionally while showering with them. The same cannot be said about males and females showering together. Our society does not view men and women together, in potentially naked situations, as normal.
    I don't want them to stop living together. I'm saying that they will have seperate quarters, because that's how the system is set up and that's why I would have preferred to see DADT remain in place, lift the ban on gays, keep soldiers living together in the same billets and save unit cohesion. When soldiers stop living together, units will have as much cohesion, loyalty and teamwork as a night time stock crew from Wal-Mart.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Actually, they will, no matter how much you want it to be so.

    I don't want them to stop living together. I'm saying that they will have seperate quarters, because that's how the system is set up and that's why I would have preferred to see DADT remain in place, lift the ban on gays, keep soldiers living together in the same billets and save unit cohesion. When soldiers stop living together, units will have as much cohesion, loyalty and teamwork as a night time stock crew from Wal-Mart.
    Why do you keep saying there will be seperate quarters? Did you read this somewhere? The only thing I've read from the military is that there will not be seperate showers. Can't imagine why they wouldn't carry that policy over to living quarters.
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Why do you keep saying there will be seperate quarters? Did you read this somewhere? The only thing I've read from the military is that there will not be seperate showers. Can't imagine why they wouldn't carry that policy over to living quarters.
    You have been able to find out more than I have then. I can't find any plan yet on how this will be implemented, other than the process is expected to take about a year.
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I think the issues will be dealt with, but not in the way that the DADT abolitionists expect. My view on billetting are example of the procedures that will be put in place to make it easier for gays and straights to serve together.
    I agree with that. Nothing ever works as planned and we will need to work our way through this as fits our situation.

    On another note - thanks for a serious response to a somewhat snarky post.

    Though I am often surprised by the cries of doom around this - not necessarily from you - I think that we have the best military in the world and I think that they can handle this.

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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Slightly more info: Plan for implementing DADT repeal

    Go to page 32, copy paste doesn't work so good from this. Recommendation of not being able to assign billets or shower space based on orientation.
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Why do you keep saying there will be seperate quarters? Did you read this somewhere? The only thing I've read from the military is that there will not be seperate showers. Can't imagine why they wouldn't carry that policy over to living quarters.
    Because there will be. Ask you hubby. He'll tell you that gays and straight can't and won't be forced to billet together.

    The Commandant of the MArine Corps even said it's not going to happpen.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because there will be. Ask you hubby. He'll tell you that gays and straight can't and won't be forced to billet together.

    The Commandant of the MArine Corps even said it's not going to happpen.
    Okay, where did he say that?
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Yeah, I didn't think so:

    Gates also said he now endorses all the recommendations of the Pentagon's working group on "don't ask, don't tell" as the road map for implementation. There will be no special bathroom or housing facilities to accommodate homosexuals, except in special cases. And troops who oppose serving with homosexuals will not be allowed to quit the military before their commitment is up.
    Gates tells troops 'don't ask, don't tell' is still in effect - CNN.com
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Yeah, I didn't think so:

    Gates also said he now endorses all the recommendations of the Pentagon's working group on "don't ask, don't tell" as the road map for implementation. There will be no special bathroom or housing facilities to accommodate homosexuals, except in special cases. And troops who oppose serving with homosexuals will not be allowed to quit the military before their commitment is up.


    Gates tells troops 'don't ask, don't tell' is still in effect - CNN.com

    He's saying that, now. When there are too many problems arising from the transition, he will change his tune. Not to mention, he can't control the local policies of various commands.

    From Red's link:

    [quote]13. Does a Service member have the legal right to refuse to shareaccommodations and/or facilities with a gay and lesbian Servicemember?
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    Commanders aren't going to sacrifice discipline and order, just to be PC.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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