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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    This is an opportunity. Gotta hand it to Obama, and also to Bill Clinton, for getting the ball, or maybe two of them, rolling on this issue. And the military now has big plans.
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They weren't serving openly. Why does it seem that people can't see how that makes things different? "Staring", is defined as sexual harassment. Now that gay soldiers are serving, "openly", there are going to be sexual harassment cases between gay and straight soldiers and it won't just be straight soldiers filing the complaints.
    Because the difference is only in the minds of the paranoid. No offense is meant there but it is true. There are lots of people in the military that don't care if they serve with homosexuals. They already know that they do and have even known some friends within thier own platoon that they figured out was gay. If it doesn't bother them then that shows that it is just in a persons mind.

    As far as "staring" being considered sexual harrassment? Please show me where this is? Does it determine how long you look at someone for it to be considered a stare? I know I've stared at someone without realizeing it also. (My mind was on other things besides what was in front of me) Does it take that into account?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Not so idiotic, when you consider that we have coed units in our military and rules had to be put in place to protect female soldiers from sexual harassment.
    Was this why "staring" is considered sexual harrasment? *shakes head* If so then you've got a few gals that are feminist idiots.


    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A safe, comfortable environment from your fellow soldiers. It's understood that the enemy isn't going to provide a safe, comfortable environment.
    Wow...if you need an exclusively, specific safe, comfortable environment from the people that you are suppose to trust to guard your back then I would have to say that there are more problems going on in the military that I ever imagined.
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's nothing to do with being, "offended". For the simple fact that the regulations clearly state that a soldier has the right to, "live and work in a safe comfortable environment".
    And you really don't get how being forced to keep a secret about something so basic as a person's sexuality was not a "safe" and "comfortable environment"?
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Because the difference is only in the minds of the paranoid. No offense is meant there but it is true. There are lots of people in the military that don't care if they serve with homosexuals. They already know that they do and have even known some friends within thier own platoon that they figured out was gay. If it doesn't bother them then that shows that it is just in a persons mind.
    There may be alot of service members that mind serving with gays, but the majority don't want to live with gays, as reflected in the Pentagon Study--the #1 piece of evidence used to support the repeal--says that there are going to be cohabitation issues.

    From the Pentagon study it is clear that implementing DADT repeal overall will be far from trivial, and for Marines, implementation is likely to involve particular difficulty. Members of all service branches focused on the same underlying issue (volume 1, p. 141, volume 1, p. 135 and volume 2, p. 64):

    Privacy concerns were the most frequently commented upon issue, regardless of a respondent’s Service.

    … respondents appeared to be most concerned about the possibility of showering or rooming with someone who was known to the respondent to be gay or lesbian.

    “If my roommate turns out to be homosexual, I feel like I am part of his target audience. It is a violation of a social norm; for example you wouldn’t have me room with a female.”

    DADT Study Data Argues Against One-Size-Fits-All Approach | Secure Nation
    As far as "staring" being considered sexual harrassment? Please show me where this is? Does it determine how long you look at someone for it to be considered a stare? I know I've stared at someone without realizeing it also. (My mind was on other things besides what was in front of me) Does it take that into account?

    No problem,

    b. Nonverbal. Examples of nonverbal sexual harassment may include staring at someone (i.e. “ undressing someone
    with one’s eyes”), blowing kisses, winking, or licking one’s lips in a suggestive manner. Nonverbal sexual harassment
    also includes printed material. Examples may include displaying sexually oriented pictures, cartoons or using sexually
    oriented screen savers on one’s computer. Further examples include sending sexually oriented notes, letters, faxes, or email.

    Chapter 7, Section 7-5, Paragraph b, page 52 of Army Regulation 600-20

    http://www.sexualassault.army.mil/fi...0_chapter7.pdf


    Was this why "staring" is considered sexual harrasment? *shakes head* If so then you've got a few gals that are feminist idiots.
    Because it's the military and they always blow things our of proportion, because we have so many civilian politicos breathing down the necks of our commanding generals. Ever hear of a, "Congressional military inquiry"? It's a fate worse than death to an officer. A congressional inquiry can be launched by any member of congress, with the slightest evidence. Usually, that evidence is a letter from a soldier who happens to be that congress critter's constituent.


    Wow...if you need an exclusively, specific safe, comfortable environment from the people that you are suppose to trust to guard your back then I would have to say that there are more problems going on in the military that I ever imagined.
    That's right, because if they can't be trusted to gaurd your back, then they need to be dealt with. Would you want to be in the service, while another soldier makes your life a living hell, with no regulation designed to help you file a grevience and then, have to depend on that soldiers to cover your ass in a firefight? I wouldn't.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    And you really don't get how being forced to keep a secret about something so basic as a person's sexuality was not a "safe" and "comfortable environment"?
    The United States armed forces were born in 1775 and since then, it has been the finest fighting force the world has ever known. Looks to me like it worked extremely well.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    I have an answer for everything...you may not like the answer or it may not satisfy your curiosity..but it will still be an answer.
    If someone asks you what 2+2 is and you say “H”; that isn’t the answer, is it?? You said something, but isn’t an answer.

    There are lots of people in the military that don't care if they serve with homosexuals.
    In a spirit of fairness I ask why it is fair for homosexuals to shower with me but it isn’t allowed for me to shower with the lady nurses? As far your habit of staring at the guy next to you’s junk you might try to break that habit before you shower with a squid of combat troops. They might stomp you down the drain pipe.

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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    Well, your defense spending bill is still at astronomically stupid heights.
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    This is an opportunity. Gotta hand it to Obama, and also to Bill Clinton, for getting the ball, or maybe two of them, rolling on this issue. And the military now has big plans.
    I'm glad this pleases you; I know what a big burden this was on your sensitivities. No issue was more important.
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron River View Post
    If someone asks you what 2+2 is and you say “H”; that isn’t the answer, is it?? You said something, but isn’t an answer.



    In a spirit of fairness I ask why it is fair for homosexuals to shower with me but it isn’t allowed for me to shower with the lady nurses? As far your habit of staring at the guy next to you’s junk you might try to break that habit before you shower with a squid of combat troops. They might stomp you down the drain pipe.
    Homosexuals already shower with you. Any problems so far?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Homosexuals already shower with you. Any problems so far?
    Not openly. You don't get this, either?

    That dog just ain't gonna hunt. I don't know why ya'll think it will.

    You very own sacred study says that there are going to be privacy issues--a fact that none of the Lefties bothered to mention while they were insisting that, "everything is going to be just fiine".
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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