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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Gays wanting to share in the misery of marriage makes them morons.
    Gay = Happy.

    We don't do misery. We couldn't have made that anymore clear when we named ourselves gay.

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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Ordering them to live in a certain place is a lawful order. Ordering them to serve in the same platoon is also a lawful order.
    Well, there are lot's of variables involved. Females soldiers can't be forced to billet with male soldiers. Such an order would be unlawful. A female soldier is within her rights to refuse such an order, the same way that a gay soldier would be within his/her rights to refuse to billet with straight soldiers and vice versa.



    As gays and straights have already been living together I see no reason why they cannot. Even if it wasn't openly, people still knew they served.
    But, now they're serving openly and that is a definite game changer. I know you think I don't know jack **** about it, so you'll just have to wait and see.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It is only considered "an inability to adapt to military life" if a person's behaviors actually affect the unit negatively (except with DADT or a ban on gays is in place). The military forces people together all the time who normally would not be friends or even like each other, for whatever reason. The things that leadership should be concerned with are intolerance and people who are actually breaking military rules that would truly cause problems in the unit, not discriminatory rules designed to alleviate problems based possible intolerance problems or possible violations of military rules.

    IOW, if a gay servicemember is hitting on or sexually assaulting his fellow unit members, then he should be put out of the military. But if there are others who can't tolerate or who discriminate against anyone based on their sexuality, then they are the ones who should be put out of the military, not the one who is facing the intolerance or discrimination.
    That's all fine-n-good, but there are still going to be housing issues. A gay soldier refusing to billet with a straight soldier isn't discrimination. It's well within those soldiers's rights.
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Good now DADT is gone, what will the libs to bitch about next?
    They'll never get tired of pushing the global warming hoax.
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    Well, your defense spending bill is still at astronomically stupid heights.
    It's going to get higher with all the new housing.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Gay = Happy.

    We don't do misery. We couldn't have made that anymore clear when we named ourselves gay.
    Just for historical accuracy homosexuals were not the first ones to call themselves gay. It started being used by heterosexuals as a derogatory term. Homosexuals just turned it around on them.
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, there are lot's of variables involved. Females soldiers can't be forced to billet with male soldiers. Such an order would be unlawful. A female soldier is within her rights to refuse such an order, the same way that a gay soldier would be within his/her rights to refuse to billet with straight soldiers and vice versa.
    Not the same. The genders will still be the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, now they're serving openly and that is a definite game changer. I know you think I don't know jack **** about it, so you'll just have to wait and see.
    If its that big of a game changer then those that are offended by gays to let it affect thier professionalism don't deserve to be in the military. For the simple fact that if they can't stand something different then they are not going to be the greatest when it comes to relations with those that are different.

    And please, don't attribute something to me until I have said it straight out. Just because I disagree with you it doesn't mean that I think you don't know jack about it.
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Not the same. The genders will still be the same.
    But, their sexuality isn't. Therein lies the difference.



    If its that big of a game changer then those that are offended by gays to let it affect thier professionalism don't deserve to be in the military. For the simple fact that if they can't stand something different then they are not going to be the greatest when it comes to relations with those that are different.
    It's nothing to do with being, "offended". For the simple fact that the regulations clearly state that a soldier has the right to, "live and work in a safe comfortable environment".

    And please, don't attribute something to me until I have said it straight out. Just because I disagree with you it doesn't mean that I think you don't know jack about it.
    What unit did you serve in and what was your MOS and rank?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, their sexuality isn't. Therein lies the difference.
    Not that big a difference. We've had gays serving in the military for a long time now and I don't recall hearing about any of them leering at the guys in the shower. Surely there would have been at least one that did if gays were not able to control themselves as so many seem to imply/suggest.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's nothing to do with being, "offended". For the simple fact that the regulations clearly state that a soldier has the right to, "live and work in a safe comfortable environment".
    Ok I would find such a regulation idiotic to have in such an organization as the military....Since when is living on the front lines considered "a safe, comfortable environment"? I would dearly love to see it, could you provide it?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What unit did you serve in and what was your MOS and rank?
    Did not serve. What's your point? Can I not disagree with someone in a specialized position? If I was a cop that made the judgment call to shoot someone because I thought for sure they were pulling a gun on me would your opinion of "you should have waited and made sure" be any less valid when it turned out that he/she never had a gun? Point is that even someone in specialized positions, with the advantage of being in that position can still be wrong while the guy/gal from the outside can be right.
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Not that big a difference. We've had gays serving in the military for a long time now and I don't recall hearing about any of them leering at the guys in the shower. Surely there would have been at least one that did if gays were not able to control themselves as so many seem to imply/suggest.
    They weren't serving openly. Why does it seem that people can't see how that makes things different? "Staring", is defined as sexual harassment. Now that gay soldiers are serving, "openly", there are going to be sexual harassment cases between gay and straight soldiers and it won't just be straight soldiers filing the complaints.


    Ok I would find such a regulation idiotic to have in such an organization as the military
    Not so idiotic, when you consider that we have coed units in our military and rules had to be put in place to protect female soldiers from sexual harassment.


    ....Since when is living on the front lines considered "a safe, comfortable environment"? I would dearly love to see it, could you provide it?
    A safe, comfortable environment from your fellow soldiers. It's understood that the enemy isn't going to provide a safe, comfortable environment.



    Did not serve. What's your point? Can I not disagree with someone in a specialized position? If I was a cop that made the judgment call to shoot someone because I thought for sure they were pulling a gun on me would your opinion of "you should have waited and made sure" be any less valid when it turned out that he/she never had a gun? Point is that even someone in specialized positions, with the advantage of being in that position can still be wrong while the guy/gal from the outside can be right.
    This isn't a judgment call. I'm explaining to you how the system works.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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