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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Not only are they in the minority, but most of them haven't served in anything other than a POG unit, unless they're gay. Basically, their opinion is either uninformed, or prejucied.
    Again, the data proves you to be incorrect. Among those with experience serving with homosexuals the vast majority say it was either neutral or positive. This includes combat units. Wouldn't you take the opinion of the combat units who hve experience over the opinion of combat units who don't?

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    Combat arms pesonel think that the repeal will have a negative effect. Should there be a ban on gays in combat arms MOS's?
    No. See above.

    Of course, this is all assuming that the opinions of the rank-and-file should be used to decide military policy... maybe they should determine deployment strategies... procurements?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: DADT cloture passes

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    Again, the data proves you to be incorrect. Among those with experience serving with homosexuals the vast majority say it was either neutral or positive. This includes combat units. Wouldn't you take the opinion of the combat units who hve experience over the opinion of combat units who don't?
    Marine combat arms units--67%--and Army combat arms units--58%--say otherwise. Do you understand what a combat arms unit is?




    Of course, this is all assuming that the opinions of the rank-and-file should be used to decide military policy... maybe they should determine deployment strategies... procurements?
    If that is the case, then there should be a ban on gays serving in combat arms units. Yes?
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Marine combat arms units--67%--and Army combat arms units--58%--say otherwise. Do you understand what a combat arms unit is?
    I'll restate for clarification:
    Among Marine combat arms units who had experience serving with homosexuals the majority said neutral or positive.
    Clear?






    If that is the case, then there should be a ban on gays serving in combat arms units. Yes?
    No. There shouldn't be a ban on gays doing anything. I would have told you that regardless of the outcome of the survey. 100% could be dead-set against it and I'd still say it.
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I'll restate for clarification:
    Among Marine combat arms units who had experience serving with homosexuals the majority said neutral or positive.
    Clear?
    Oh, it's very clear that you're cherry picking your numbers. Of those whom have had experience serving with homosexual service members; how many actually served in combat arms units. Can't wait for this one.







    No. There shouldn't be a ban on gays doing anything. I would have told you that regardless of the outcome of the survey. 100% could be dead-set against it and I'd still say it.
    I thought were were going to use the consense of serving service members. We're not, now, since the numbers don't swing your way?
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Combat arms pesonel think that the repeal will have a negative effect. Should there be a ban on gays in combat arms MOS's?
    AS I pointed out, among those in combat arms MOS's, those who had served with gays(ie the ones with the best experience to judge from) by a large majority thought gays would would not hurt readiness.
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

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    AS I pointed out, among those in combat arms MOS's, those who had served with gays(ie the ones with the best experience to judge from) by a large majority thought gays would would not hurt readiness.
    Show us the numbers, as they pertain to personel that have served in combat arms units--combat arms units are infantry, artillery, cavalry and armor.

    Thanks in advance.
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Show us the numbers, as they pertain to personel that have served in combat arms units--combat arms units are infantry, artillery, cavalry and armor.

    Thanks in advance.
    Comprehensive Review Working Group: Don't Ask... | Gather

    Soldiers serving in combat units appear to be less open to the idea of fighting alongside gays or lesbians. According to the survey, 48 percent of Army service members and 58 percent of Marines serving in combat units expected a negative or very negative impact on unit performance. However, these negative views did not translate over to the soldiers' actual experiences fighting alongside gays and lesbians. Among those who believed they had served alongside homosexuals, 89 percent of those in Army combat units and 84 percent of those in Marine combat units reported that their unit's performance had been "good", "very good", or "neither good nor poor."
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    But of Marine respondents who had served with someone they and others in their unit believed to be gay or lesbian, 90.4 percent said that their unit’s performance was very good, good or neutral; 88.1 percent said the same of unit cohesion; and 83.4 percent of unit morale. Numbers were similar for Marines who had served under a leader they thought was gay or lesbian.
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    84% of 33%? That just doesn't add up. Sorry.

    Nevermind the fact that your source probably doesn't know the difference between a combat arms unit and a combat unit.
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Most of those identities, cultures and personalities don't prevent unit members from living in the same billets. If they do, those personel are chaptered out of the service for, "an inability to adapt to military life".

    That cohabitation is the glue that creates unit cohesion. I'm sure your military experience tells you that. Yes?
    Of course... and that's a dismissal of the original point I made. The military isn't some hive-minded entity that creates some sort of auto-credibility status that comes with saying "I have military experience". So what? It's not a college major with a set course load... it's a diverse working group with a variety of opinions and beliefs. Diversity tends to lessen the weight behind absolute proclamations that sound something like "military experience tells me this will be bad". Your experience perhaps, but not everyones...
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