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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    So is the biggest complaint at this point that the troops didn't get a direct vote on the issue?

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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Then the person I had heard state such was incorrect. That is, of course, if you are correct.
    I'm in the military and was out to sea for both the 2000 election and the 2004 election. I sent an absentee ballot in for both. I got to vote. And I voted in 2008. What the military does not get to vote for is direct federal issues, just like almost every other US citizen, because we are a representative republic. We do not vote on federal issues directly, we elect Congressmen and a President to decide those issues for us, and place limits on them with the Constitution and the SCOTUS. There probably is room for improvement in some of this, but overall, it works. Especially in a case like this where the will of the people is done.
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I'm reading a bit between the lines. He said he didn't envisoin one, as in the Marines are disciplined enough that they don't need one.
    He is correct then. There is no need for a specific gag order. The standard policy is quite sufficient. Military personnel should be allowed to voice their opinion on the issue as long as they make it clear it is their personal opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Hey, has anybody walked into a law firm and seen a guy in a pink tutu and fishnets?

    Do you really think there aren't any gay lawyers? Of course there are. They don't behave that way at work because they're professionals and they would get fired for doing so.

    Why do people assume gay people would do this in the military? DADT's repeal means they'll be able to serve and not have to lie about who they are, it doesn't magically make them exempt from all of the other codes of conduct. A straight soldier wearing a tutu on the base would be disciplined, where on earth does anybody get the idea that this wouldn't also happen to a gay soldier? A soldier caught screwing a (female) fellow soldier on the Colonel's desk is not going to get away with it, why would a gay soldier?

    Our soldiers are professionals. If they are unable to act like professionals, they'll be disciplined. Gay or straight. If you think otherwise, you obviously don't have as much respect for our men and women in uniform as I do.
    I thought that was funny too.. I know there are strict uniform guidelines.. and even in prison and in jail, they are expected to wear a standard uniform and properly. No cut off prison shorts or cut off belly shirts.. lol

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    I think that all these liberals that are so happy now should be drafted into the navy and have to serve on destroyers and subs (no floating cities like Redres did with all the comforts of home) spending 90 days at time at sea..........I bet you that they would not be so happy about the issue if that happened............
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    A lot of gay men are masculine and not flamboyant... I don't honestly see a lot of the more feminine homosexuals joining the military. I have known a few gay men to join the military, and they weren't anymore "girly" than hetro men.

    For a long time women serving was really controversial, and arguments were made about cohesion, weakness, distractions, etc.. If women can serve in the military without running around with their lower math skills, and not being more worried about their tans, manicures, pms, menstrual cycles, and hair buns than their unit, then why can't gay men serve properly too?

    I have also noticed that most of the people against this are only complaining about gay men, not women.. Are you ok with lesbians serving? What about them getting flamboyant?
    I have no problem with women serving. I do not think it wise to repeal DADT. Furthermore, when you state they will not "be flamboyant," it means nothing when I observe the trend in Britain. When you state "what about(?)" in your last sentence, it makes me suspect that you know they will do such. Look around. Look at America. Look at the posts on the internet. It would be unwise to think they will not be flamboyant. They will, and this leads to the problem that it will affect unit cohesion, among other examples.

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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I think that all these liberals that are so happy now should be drafted into the navy and have to serve on destroyers and subs (no floating cities like Redres did with all the comforts of home) spending 90 days at time at sea..........I bet you that they would not be so happy about the issue if that happened............
    If they would have released the news that they were changing subs to allow women to serve aboard NP, I would very likely still be in the Navy. So I'd do it. Would that make you feel better NP? Of course, I'm very happy about this but I'm really not a liberal overall.
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Next toasters and dogs will want to join the military and serve openly...

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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I think that all these liberals that are so happy now should be drafted into the navy and have to serve on destroyers and subs (no floating cities like Redres did with all the comforts of home) spending 90 days at time at sea..........I bet you that they would not be so happy about the issue if that happened............
    You have a weird opinion of carriers. Our big advantage was higher overheads. We where bigger, but had much more people and much bigger equipment stashed on board. Did you guys not have a small gym and a gedunk onboard? That is about as close as we got to convenience.

    Edit: oh., and I did 2 cruises both over 200 days, not that 90 day softy stuff.
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    Re: DADT cloture passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I think that all these liberals that are so happy now should be drafted into the navy and have to serve on destroyers and subs (no floating cities like Redres did with all the comforts of home) spending 90 days at time at sea..........I bet you that they would not be so happy about the issue if that happened............
    And I think all those who opposed it should be forced to move to the Castro District and forced to carry Gucci handbags. And this has absolutely no relevance to repeal, it is just funny to think about.

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